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Chris S.
post Apr 14 2016, 02:34 PM
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You could use either. You could run the unit in your FX loop through the 1/4 jacks or you could compress the signal from the Mic with the XLR inputs.

It helps to have both of you plan on using it to record mic'd instruments. A mic'd acoustic, vocals, etc.

You could still use the Keeley though, you would just need an XLR to 1/4 convert which run for a few bucks.

It's also important to know what kind of character a compressor will add, and if it's what you're looking for. Some compressors will add some sparkle to your tone while others try to be as clean and transparent as possible.


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post Apr 14 2016, 02:51 PM
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Thanks Ken,

I'll check those out smile.gif


Thanks Chris,

Regarding the tonal character, the Keeley appears versatile in that department.

Thanks for your input.

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post Apr 14 2016, 02:54 PM
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What KEN said!!!!


You can't go wrong with the Keeley. You must have done your research smile.gif High resale value as well. Just a rock solid and flexible unit which is why they are highly prized. I wish I had one to be frank.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 12 2016, 04:05 PM) *
Great unit!
You can get away with less expensive and less 'tweakable' stuff but with that unit you should be able to really hone your sound into and out of the amp.

I can also personally recommend this as a close second ... http://www.barberelectronics.com/CompactTonePress.html


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post Apr 14 2016, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 13 2016, 09:20 PM) *
Thanks Mertay,

I have to admit, I've suddenly started to develop gas since opening this thread laugh.gif

What did you think of the Pete Thorn video?


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Yeah and definitly explains how versatile it can be, as said I haven't tested many comp. pedals but I wouldn't expect others to be so versatile.


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post Apr 14 2016, 10:04 PM
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I've gone and done it, I've gone and ordered it rolleyes.gif I'll keep it in the box until I've practised with software compressors Mertay, honest, really I will, I promise unsure.gif

One thing that sold it was the "What we like" section below, another was a bloke in a music shop the other day saying, "get a good compressor, learn how to use it, it will last a lifetime, everyone should have a compressor"

What we like: Keeley has long been the word in top shelf compression pedals and this Compressor Pro is the monument atop the market mountain in this category. It has the ability to be as simple or as comprehensive as the user needs, and can be used for any instrument, vocal or studio application. There are a million ways in which this machine could prove useful.

Concerns: Those in the know can ignore this statement, but compression newbies might scoff at a comp pedal that costs three big ones. But, this is more like a studio-grade high-performance rack unit that fits on a pedalboard. When you take a peek at some examples in the rack analog compressor market, you will quickly realize just how affordable this unit is considering it can hang with (and even surpass) some vintage gear that fetches over twice the price.

- See more at: http://tonereport.com/reviews/keeley-elect...h.XkZ6yzDM.dpuf

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post Apr 19 2016, 08:32 PM
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Here's a great video about the Keeley Comp Pro. Explaining the pedal and giving a demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7NtcYo_tt0


And here's mine, in its new home smile.gif I'm not going to concentrate on it for now, I'm going to grow into it.



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Congrats!

Lots of knobs! engineering-wise so sexy! biggrin.gif


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Thanks,
The knobs have a perfect amount of resistance, as an engineer I appreciate that. It's the best quality of the three there apart from a tiny paint flaw.
Going to leave attack and release on auto for a while while I learn about the other knobs wink.gif
Going very gradual with this one.
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It's a studio grade bit of kit smile.gif You can use it on anything just like they say. It's more like a nice rack unit that lives on the floor. Also, as a learning tool it's killer. Using it will teach you about compressors and compression so that you can apply those principles in a daw or in a multi fx unit. Win win smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 20 2016, 06:20 AM) *
Thanks,
The knobs have a perfect amount of resistance, as an engineer I appreciate that. It's the best quality of the three there apart from a tiny paint flaw.
Going to leave attack and release on auto for a while while I learn about the other knobs wink.gif
Going very gradual with this one.
Cheers buddy


While its all about the sound during the learning process, let me know if anything needed smile.gif

A compressor to me is the hardest to learn its sonic benefits, once you get comfortable with that the other fx will be much easier smile.gif


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post Apr 20 2016, 07:56 PM
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Thanks Todd and Mertay,

As it is complicated and can be very subtle, I'm going to leave it running in auto and just fiddle with threshold, ratio and gain for now. I'll mainly fiddle when recording clean/cleanish for starters, I have noticed how it can give a breath of life (almost like putting new strings on) in some settings. The BIG thing is remembering the settings. I guess as time goes on, and the ear gets tuned in, it will become more and more intuitive so memory won't matter.

Cheers folks smile.gif

Do you think I'm approaching this correctly?


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post Apr 20 2016, 08:44 PM
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If I were you, I would use a software compressor first. Even though it's software, you can still put it in your signal chain and use it while playing. The reason I suggest using a software compressor first is: you can get a much better indication of what the compressor is doing. Choose one that shows the compression curves and shows a realtime display of the compression amount. That visual feedback will be invaluable in understanding the effect the compression has.



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Thanks Rammikin,

I do play through my amp a lot, that's the main reason I had this, plus I like real knobs wink.gif

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Learning about the threshold knob, great when clean, the more to the minus you set it the more balance between thick and thin strings, you have to turn up your amp or the gain on the compressor to get the volume back. Loss of dynamics can occur too.

Am I right?

Also for some reason I seem to get better results out of my Peavey head than going through the GT001 and straight into the PC, even on a totally clean amp setting.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 24 2016, 07:34 PM) *
Learning about the threshold knob, great when clean, the more to the minus you set it the more balance between thick and thin strings, you have to turn up your amp or the gain on the compressor to get the volume back. Loss of dynamics can occur too.

Am I right?

Also for some reason I seem to get better results out of my Peavey head than going through the GT001 and straight into the PC, even on a totally clean amp setting.

Cheers smile.gif

A lot of software compressors have a frequency range you can set the compressor too to avoid the entire signal being effected.

For example: ReaComp in Reaper can be set so that only the low end frequencies get compressed, etc.

Just a fun fact, I guess tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 24 2016, 07:34 PM) *
Learning about the threshold knob, great when clean, the more to the minus you set it the more balance between thick and thin strings, you have to turn up your amp or the gain on the compressor to get the volume back. Loss of dynamics can occur too.

Am I right?

Also for some reason I seem to get better results out of my Peavey head than going through the GT001 and straight into the PC, even on a totally clean amp setting.

Cheers smile.gif


Yeah, its more traditional to increase the pedals output rather than changing an amp setting (unless you switch it from clean to drive channel) to compansate output. You can also try decreasing the threshold all the way down but using very low ratio (but might have to adjust attack/release settings) for an alternate vibe.

Digital devices usually can't handle pre-manipulated sounds as good as analog.

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Thanks Mertay,
I'm learning about each knob for now and the I'll learn how they interact.
I like to set the gain (at the moment) so the volume level doesn't change between devices. That's the best way to hear the difference.
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Interesting stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1jB5bs-K4#t=213



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Friend of mine shared today smile.gif

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