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post Apr 14 2016, 07:56 PM
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I was trying to get close to this tone -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDBq_Az7HQ

Im using the same patch and a similar guitar. Ive not made any tweaks although I just rolled back my volume to about 8 but basically this is the choptones patch on my SG -
https://soundcloud.com/bleez666/choptest


Im not too sure how to describe the differences between the two sounds. Maybe he just plays better than me ..... I would certainly accept that fact!

Any idea what I could tweak to get a little closer?


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post Apr 14 2016, 08:06 PM
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Not bad at all! I'd try to decrease the highs, maybe add some lows from the cab. to beef it up just a little more.


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post Apr 14 2016, 08:32 PM
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yeah, its not too bad for no tweaks at all.

Here's the cab settings - Im not 100% on what the highs or lows are rolleyes.gif would that be the bass and treble?
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this is the graphic as well if it helps -
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post Apr 14 2016, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 14 2016, 10:06 AM) *
Not bad at all! I'd try to decrease the highs, maybe add some lows from the cab. to beef it up just a little more.

+1 I agree,your tone is a little thin and needs to be fattened up a bit. Also your tone might be just a little too saturated and muddy. Gainy, but not too distorted sounds like what you are looking for.
The playing sounds pretty close man, just some minor things that can easily be cleaned up ,and a better matched tone might even fix that as well. Rock on!

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post Apr 14 2016, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 14 2016, 07:32 PM) *
yeah, its not too bad for no tweaks at all.

Here's the cab settings - Im not 100% on what the highs or lows are rolleyes.gif would that be the bass and treble?


Exactly biggrin.gif


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post Apr 14 2016, 09:28 PM
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dropped the treble down from 8 to 2. Bass up from 8 to 10 and took 2 off the middle -
https://soundcloud.com/bleez666/chop2

a bit fatter?
does it still have too much distortion?


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post Apr 15 2016, 12:57 AM
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I'm with Mertay smile.gif Add some bass! There is a multi band eq that looks like it's turned off. Turn it on and play with the sliders on the left (the bass) to punch it up a bit. It could be your playback media that working against your or they have eq and compression on the final track.

Those guys make some great patches. I have my own ChopTones Signature Pack as well which is full of heavy tones. Many similar tones are in my 11r thread here on GMC. smile.gif
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Not bad at all! I'd try to decrease the highs, maybe add some lows from the cab. to beef it up just a little more.



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post Apr 15 2016, 11:37 AM
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From my point of view your first demo is very, very close by the sound that you want. You really made a great job smile.gif It's a little muddy at this moment but this can be fixed.
I'm not agree with the others because I really don't think you need more bass in tone. I hear very well the difference that you talking about but I also can hear that both tones start from a similar setting point. What the guy has different I really believe can be done with an external parametric eq.

The second demo I think is not going in a good direction. I don't think the down movement of treble from 8 to 2 it's a good idea. If you cut the treble so much will do a lack of attack. Also this time has definitely too much bass tongue.gif
Darek learned me something which always will be a rule for me in making a good tone: "The whole trick is to cut what is nasty but not by removing the whole treble away. This can be done with an external parametric eq".

Also I want to mention something which is very important and it's one of mistake that I made 3 weeks ago until Darek woke me up to reality biggrin.gif We listened the guy playing over a backing track. Your demo is without backing and this can change totally the things. What we don't like at this moment in your tone it's possible into the mix to sound very good. Some parts of the spectrum are being covered by other instruments. As an example those highs frequencies that you replaced at this moment, into the mix will be covered by cymbals (I also made this mistake biggrin.gif ).

So, please don't make the same mistake as me and always check your tone over a backing because the sound will be totally different wink.gif

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post Apr 15 2016, 12:03 PM
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I'm def with Monica here!

The guitar-only track must sound thin in order fit in a buzy metal/rock mix! This is one of the things that is so hard to realise before you get hands-on experience from mixing a full arrangement.

I also think the second track has too much bass for a mix.

Important: if your only goal is to have fun while noodling on your own, then there is nothing wrong with a bombastic/boomy sound. Just be aware that you are not practicing dialing in useful sounds for bands/mixes (and this skill does require practicing).

I think your first sample is great and organic!

Awesome thread btw


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post Apr 15 2016, 02:17 PM
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I'll agree with Monica and Kris that your first one is the closest.
The rest is just your pick attack and personal playing technique compared to the guy in the demo.


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post Apr 15 2016, 04:20 PM
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Thanks for the input, folks. Its all very helpful indeed smile.gif
I'll try the tone in some backings and see how it sounds. It's much more metal-ish than I would normally play but I do like it!

QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Apr 15 2016, 11:37 AM) *
What the guy has different I really believe can be done with an external parametric eq.

I thought that might be a possibility. I wish I knew more about EQ, I have a lot to learn rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 15 2016, 05:04 PM
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The guys have a point, if you use too much bass on your tone, it won't work well in a mix. It will work better by itself. In a mix, with a bass heavy tone, usually you have to use a compressor or automation for parts when the guitar does a rythm by itself, say during a breakdown part. Otherwise it can sound super thin. One thing to try is turn the drive on the screamer to nearly zero and lower the gain on the amp and start the volume on the screamer at zero and slowly work up. That way you can find the magic spot before you lose definition. Clean boost is a great thing smile.gif Too much amp gain and you end up with mud as low frequencies (bass) tend to bunch up together.

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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 15 2016, 11:20 AM) *
Thanks for the input, folks. Its all very helpful indeed smile.gif
I'll try the tone in some backings and see how it sounds. It's much more metal-ish than I would normally play but I do like it!


I thought that might be a possibility. I wish I knew more about EQ, I have a lot to learn rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 20 2016, 08:19 PM
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One more thing. Whole the mix sounds like it's also equalized at mastering stage. You can notice most of professional productions are scopped out of some particular middle frequencies. This makes mix sound less different on a multiple rehersal gear and...it makes you able to listne to it on the really loud P.A. Otherwise ears will hurt. So...as a conclusion....your tone has a muhc more higher mids than the whole reference mix you've sent. I't might habe been exactly the same (guitar standalone tone) as your sample, but it changed do to mastering eq. Also...keep in mind rhythm guitar has been recorded in double.


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post Apr 20 2016, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 14 2016, 06:56 PM) *
Any idea what I could tweak to get a little closer?


First of all, ignore everything in the reference track except the mono bit around 1:15. That's the useful part for matching the tone. After you match the guitar tone you can then start worrying about the mix.


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