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Darius Wave
post Apr 20 2016, 07:33 PM
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Great one Gab! I'll make everything that's possible to join as well smile.gif


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post Apr 21 2016, 02:24 AM
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Just working on some ideas. A bit rough here and there and some flail notes. Gotta figure an ending and fix timing. You know, all the normal sh$%.

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post Apr 21 2016, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 20 2016, 11:39 AM) *
Cool take here Fzalfa!! Your hard work is paying dividends!!

Gabe: the guys in katatonia considered themselves Paradise Lost fanboys and it heavily influenced their style. The albums that Paradise did that sound like depeche mode were the most commercially successful that they have ever done but as you might guess it really irritated their fan base when a doom/gothic/metal band went all "synth pop"! smile.gif The new record should be out in JUNE of this year I think. More heavy stuff I hope smile.gif
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Yeah, I'm one of those persons who also enjoyed the Depeche Mode style albums... I've noticed that many of these gothic/doom bands started to sound more synth pop, it was curious to see so many bands going on that direction.


QUOTE (fzalfa @ Apr 20 2016, 02:37 PM) *
Finaly i share this take.

https://soundcloud.com/laurent-377054242/paradise-7

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Great take Laurent! Your solo is very catchy and the note choices is totally catchy. I specially enjoyed the bridge section, you resolved it really well. Very enjoyable solo! Thanks!

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Apr 20 2016, 10:24 PM) *
Just working on some ideas. A bit rough here and there and some flail notes. Gotta figure an ending and fix timing. You know, all the normal sh$%.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/lost1-collab2




This is a good first draft! I think that if you fix those wrong notes that appear here and there, and work more on timing, this can be a good solo. A little details that I'd like to mark is that the overall evolution could be adjusted too. For example, I feel that the intro phrases have too many notes, I would go for something more simple and gradually increase notes / speed.



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post Apr 21 2016, 02:53 PM
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Great take Laurent! Your solo is very catchy and the note choices is totally catchy. I specially enjoyed the bridge section, you resolved it really well. Very enjoyable solo! Thanks!


thanks for listening, i have retain a lot of parts of this early take, now i m searching how to complete this collab, and do a worked prestation instead of my habitual improvisation ,i'll try to give you something worked in few words

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post Apr 21 2016, 06:48 PM
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Yeah, Gab, I agree. I was fitting in more notes the second half of the intro and also thought that just mirroring the rhythm riff/mirror in 3rd, that is would be better sounding and transition. Sometimes, with so little time, I try to fit in too many ideas.

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post Apr 21 2016, 11:09 PM
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A second take. Cleaned up a bit, dropped some notes, changed some things. Still workin on it.

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post Apr 22 2016, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 20 2016, 04:39 PM) *
Gabe: the guys in katatonia considered themselves Paradise Lost fanboys and it heavily influenced their style. The albums that Paradise did that sound like depeche mode were the most commercially successful that they have ever done but as you might guess it really irritated their fan base when a doom/gothic/metal band went all "synth pop"! smile.gif The new record should be out in JUNE of this year I think. More heavy stuff I hope smile.gif
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I think the "Depeche Mode" era was pretty ok, their songwriting has always been good.

I can't help but think that the reason "One Second" was their most commercially successful album, was simply because of anticipation from the industry. This was the follow-up album to Icon and Draconian times - presumably boosted with a larger marketing budget than ever.

If you ask me - the "Depeche Mode" style albums that followed were much stronger musically.

Luckily for the world, Paradise Lost released the album "Tragic Idol" in 2012 - which to me is easily up to par with their old material.


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post Apr 22 2016, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Apr 21 2016, 07:09 PM) *
A second take. Cleaned up a bit, dropped some notes, changed some things. Still workin on it.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/lost1-collab3




Hi mate, this is much better!

I think that the intro connects smoother now with the main riff. However, my favourite part starts at 00:30 (the verse). I think that the phrases there are really good, very expressive. The evolution of your phrasing there is perfect!

I also think that what you play over the bridge sounds great but has some scale issues. When D sounds, you change the scale correctly, however you need to get back to the previous scale as soon as the following chord is played. There are weird things between 00:53 and 00:58, being more notorious at 00:57. Please re-check the scale used there.



QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 22 2016, 03:56 AM) *
I think the "Depeche Mode" era was pretty ok, their songwriting has always been good.

I can't help but think that the reason "One Second" was their most commercially successful album, was simply because of anticipation from the industry. This was the follow-up album to Icon and Draconian times - presumably boosted with a larger marketing budget than ever.

If you ask me - the "Depeche Mode" style albums that followed were much stronger musically.

Luckily for the world, Paradise Lost released the album "Tragic Idol" in 2012 - which to me is easily up to par with their old material.



For the curious that don't know what we are talking about... this is the Depeche More era:






Great songs by the way...


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post Apr 22 2016, 10:32 PM
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Thanks Gab.

At 53 section I think I shift from D major scale hammer ons to (unfortunately) Fmajor/Dmin form by mistake or because it had tension. I could try it like that leaving the first note (which acts as the pedal for the hammer ons) oddly sharp for the underlying chord if I played the last note a 1/2 step down (where it should be for Bb/Gmin) but I'll probably end up playing the proper scale Bb/Gmin.

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post Apr 24 2016, 08:46 AM
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Hi Gabriel

this is another take, need a little more work where i fail during a solo..... still work on



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post Apr 24 2016, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Apr 24 2016, 07:46 AM) *
Hi Gabriel

this is another take, need a little more work where i fail during a solo..... still work on



cheers

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thanks a lot beat !

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post Apr 24 2016, 02:25 PM
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I am still working on the vocals. In the meanwhile I recorded a jam over the backing - this is lots of fun! biggrin.gif



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post Apr 24 2016, 10:06 PM
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Is that a water cooled maroon shredding sleeve?? Does it work as well as the advertisements say to offload the heat created by extreme solo'ing??

There some fantastic ideas in there Kris. Great hybrid picking and legato work.

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post Apr 24 2016, 10:21 PM
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Haha actually it's all supposed to melt!! Thanks man biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Apr 22 2016, 06:32 PM) *
Thanks Gab.

At 53 section I think I shift from D major scale hammer ons to (unfortunately) Fmajor/Dmin form by mistake or because it had tension. I could try it like that leaving the first note (which acts as the pedal for the hammer ons) oddly sharp for the underlying chord if I played the last note a 1/2 step down (where it should be for Bb/Gmin) but I'll probably end up playing the proper scale Bb/Gmin.



You have time to experiment so if you want share here two takes with both ideas and we can analyze which one sounds better.


QUOTE (fzalfa @ Apr 24 2016, 04:46 AM) *
Hi Gabriel

this is another take, need a little more work where i fail during a solo..... still work on



cheers

Laurent



Awesome camera view and very cool solo! There are many parts on this solo that sound great. I like the fact that you combined melodies with some fast sections. The overall structure is balanced. Well done.


QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 24 2016, 10:25 AM) *
I am still working on the vocals. In the meanwhile I recorded a jam over the backing - this is lots of fun! biggrin.gif




Your phrasing + tone are addictive. Great improvisation!


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Hi Gab, for the Dsus part (Bridge) I have added a pipe organ and little solo in the phrygian mode.... What do you think?
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Sounds great!! Please send me both things in different tracks. smile.gif


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Think I figured out the bridge hammer on section. The second and fourth chords move slightly differently then the 1st and third. So I hung on the G rather than hammering on one more time higher in the scale.

Figured I'd torture myself and track it for fun using my Jericho Long Scale Baritone in Drop C. I just loaded with 65-13's from Wicked Wire. After grinding rust all day off the 64 GMC truck restoration project I'm doing, I think I musta been sun dazed to try. smile.gif

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hi gabriel


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