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post Apr 23 2016, 07:17 AM
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Hey guys.

I'm working on a project composed by ear. This is just a piece of the entire song.
What scale or scales am I using? It reminds me a little of Per Nilsson in the middle. smile.gif

Is there an easy way to figure out what scales were used after you write a solo? Since I don't really know many scales, I don't set out to write a solo based on a particular scale. I just listened to my heart on this one. I don't normally write dark solos like this.

So, does this work, you think? It sounds good to my ears. Trying to figure out how it works if it does actually work musically.

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post Apr 23 2016, 07:43 AM
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This is a great question but one I can't answer I'm afraid. It's one of the things I always think about when I read magazines and they talk about players using notes from different scales in a solo.

I'll be following this one very keenly

Thanks Brandon smile.gif


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post Apr 24 2016, 06:47 PM
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Thanks. Maybe we can get some instructors in here. wink.gif


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post Apr 25 2016, 03:07 PM
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Hi mate, this is a very interesting solo. It cool to record something only based on sounds instead of scales and then analyse what you've used. I think that this is the best way to avoid scale shapes limit us.

I've analysed different licks of this solo and I've noted that you are using different modes of the Harmonic Minor scale. In other words, you are always playing Harmonic minor scale but starting from different roots: C harmonic minor, G harmonic minor and F harmonic minor. As the modal root chord here is G, we can say that you start with the IV mode, then with the I mode (harmonic minor) and finally you use the VII mode.

This is how I would explain this solo. You can also be playing diminished scale here which shares notes with some of these modes, but it is not only one diminished scale, you can be switching from half whole to whole half.

Check this thread about harmonic minor modes: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=50246



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post Apr 25 2016, 03:53 PM
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Overall, if you had to pick one tonal center or scale ...
I hear it as C Phrygian dominant (or, phrygian natural 3).
C Db E F G Ab Bb C.

In the beginning you do use some other notes. I'd just call them 'chromatic' passing tones.
Starting at :10 you're using C phryg dom exclusively.

*This scale is also used heavily in Jewish music. They call it 'Freygish' (relating to phrygian).

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This is great, inspiring and, to me, liberating smile.gif


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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 25 2016, 11:53 AM) *
Overall, if you had to pick one tonal center or scale ...
I hear it as C Phrygian dominant (or, phrygian natural 3).
C Db E F G Ab Bb C.

In the beginning you do use some other notes. I'd just call them 'chromatic' passing tones.
Starting at :10 you're using C phryg dom exclusively.

*This scale is also used heavily in Jewish music. They call it 'Freygish' (relating to phrygian).



Great addition! Yeah, this is surely the best choice and it's how he starts the solo. However it's curious to hear how he switches to the other two modes as long as the solo advances. It sounds like he is moving the characteristic notes of the mode 1 (b6 7). Do you note this effect? or you still think that he is staying on 1 scale and using passing notes?


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post Apr 26 2016, 03:43 PM
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Here is a video of me playing if that is helpful.

Keep in mind I am tuned to F Standard. The song is in the key of C - the breakdown can fool you because of the low F, which is why I included the transition after the bridge.


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 26 2016, 07:24 AM) *
Great addition! Yeah, this is surely the best choice and it's how he starts the solo. However it's curious to hear how he switches to the other two modes as long as the solo advances. It sounds like he is moving the characteristic notes of the mode 1 (b6 7). Do you note this effect? or you still think that he is staying on 1 scale and using passing notes?


Hmmm ... either way.
I personally tend to think "main tonal/key center" when the chords don't change and the 'other' notes I won't classify as being in any particular scale or mode unless they stay there for awhile.

*Good solo by the way!


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