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Phil66
post May 3 2016, 08:30 PM
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Hello folks,

On one of my guitars, (PRS SE Ace) the G string on the 16th fret dies out much quicker than anywhere else, it seems to be holding the note and then it suddenly decays.

Is this a job for a tech or is there something I can try?

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post May 4 2016, 12:36 AM
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You can try lots of things from adjusting the truss rod, to adjusting the bridge, to sanding the fret or frets near by, but given it's a nice axe, and from your question I gather you have limited experience? Before I did anything I'd at least take it to a tech for a diagnosis. smile.gif

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Hello folks,

On one of my guitars, (PRS SE Ace) the G string on the 16th fret dies out much quicker than anywhere else, it seems to be holding the note and then it suddenly decays.

Is this a job for a tech or is there something I can try?

Cheers


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post May 4 2016, 02:30 AM
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I'm with Todd - could be a fret that needs filing/re-crowning

Best to have it looked at to be sure smile.gif


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post May 4 2016, 06:39 AM
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Every guitar (noticable or not) has sustain issues in certain notes, these notes are usually more obvious around the 12th fret g string. Things that can be done are mentioned (upgrading the tremolo is also one of them), if its really bad they place some weight on the headstock but thats debatable.

Something easy to try could be lowering the pickups and trying a different brand/size of strings.


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post May 4 2016, 08:45 AM
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Thanks folks,

It's only that string at that fret, until my ears improve a bit more and I notice something else lol rolleyes.gif


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post May 4 2016, 09:14 PM
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It's going to the luthier on Friday smile.gif


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post May 4 2016, 09:22 PM
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biggrin.gif while you're at it, inspect other guitars too incase they need anything smile.gif


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post May 4 2016, 09:31 PM
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I'll do them one at a time thanks mate laugh.gif

My acoustic was set up recently by this guy and it is like a brand new guitar costing 5 times the price smile.gif He's worked on a couple of my guitars and transformed them smile.gif

Here is the sound of the G at 14th and 16th frets. The 16th is played twice. It does sound like the string is ever so slightly catching on a fret.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/sustain-issue


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Took it to the guitar tech today, there are a couple of frets slightly higher than the others.

He's going to sort it for me smile.gif



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Cool!


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IMHO, the best thing you could have done smile.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 6 2016, 03:05 PM) *
Took it to the guitar tech today, there are a couple of frets slightly higher than the others.

He's going to sort it for me smile.gif


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Eeeeek, guitar tech has had a look at guitar today, he said it gave him OCD. I asked him why and his message was.
"Ocd because it isn't just the 16th fret. It's that note (cool.gif. The harmonic on the 12th fret b string also fall out too quick. The b on the high e string does the same and also the lower b on the g string 4th fret also does the same. Nothing to do with the frets or string".

Weird, just my luck to get a freaky problem sad.gif



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QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 10 2016, 07:33 PM) *
Eeeeek, guitar tech has had a look at guitar today, he said it gave him OCD. I asked him why and his message was.
"Ocd because it isn't just the 16th fret. It's that note (cool.gif. The harmonic on the 12th fret b string also fall out too quick. The b on the high e string does the same and also the lower b on the g string 4th fret also does the same. Nothing to do with the frets or string".

Weird, just my luck to get a freaky problem sad.gif


Yeah thats what we call deadspots on a guitar, every guitar has it but the severity can change from guitar to guitar...quick question, is the trem floating or adjusted to be stable?

Ask the luthier if changing the trem setup (from floating to stable or vice verse) could help with the deadspot as I don't know, just throwing ideas...

I know some places brass weights on the headstock of the guitar but that only moves the deadspots place not eliminating it.


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Funny how it's the B. He said he is going to level the frets anyway. I asked him if it is fixable and he said "Everything is fixable wink.gif" The trem is a PRS trem.


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 10 2016, 07:54 PM) *
Funny how it's the B. He said he is going to level the frets anyway. I asked him if it is fixable and he said "Everything is fixable wink.gif" The trem is a PRS trem.


Yeah its about guitars resonance working badly with the vibraton of the string(s). If the trem can be pulled back (notes going higher), keep in mind locking the tremolo would benefit sustain...only downside is you can pull the trem back.


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Fetched my guitar back today, it has drove the luthier crazy and he cannot fix it. The B on the G string 16th fret is the worst, but every B sustains less than any other note. In the shop today we timed an A and it rang out for 14 seconds through a clean amp, the best B we got was 7 seconds.
He has dressed the frets, he changed the G string, he changed all the strings, he raised the G string well off the frets, he lowered the pickups, he tightened all the screws, he de-tuned the guitar so that the 16th fret G string played an A, it sustained lovely, 18th fret (cool.gif, it lasted 6 seconds. he checked the trem springs for being seated correctly, he checked the trem for being properly set up, he turned the volum and tone knobs all one way, he turned them all the other way, he checked the tuning posts, he did everything he could think of, every B on the guitar doesn't sustain. He said that occasionally they do sustain a bit more, some of them are almost what would be considered acceptable, the 16th fret one is not acceptable. Even a B played as a harmonic doesn't last as long as other notes. The B on the 16th fret also sounds lifeless, like a very old string.
He told me to contact PRS Europe and give them his number to call so that he can explain everything he has tried.
Very odd.


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I guess it would be asking too much to go to the luthier again to try this; http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Caughtlikef...Bridge.jpg.html

But incase PRS europe won't help try it as a last resort, you won't be able to use the trem. bar anymore but this should help a little if not solve the problem.

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We spoke about that this evening. He is positive it isn't a trem issue. He would do it if I took it back but he really doesn't think it can be the trem. He didn't charge me for the work as he hadn't solved it but I gave him some money to cover the strings and get himself a curry and a pint.

We'll see what PRS say first.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 20 2016, 08:29 PM) *
We spoke about that this evening. He is positive it isn't a trem issue. He would do it if I took it back but he really doesn't think it can be the trem. He didn't charge me for the work as he hadn't solved it but I gave him some money to cover the strings and get himself a curry and a pint.

We'll see what PRS say first.


Cool move paying him although the problems not solved yet.

He is right that its not the tremolo but options to change a guitars resonance is really limited by practical approaches. Lets see what prs will say..


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He's a top bloke, owns a little guitar shop and his mission is not to make loads of money but to get people playing the guitar. He has the skills to make good money but his heart rules and overcomes his business head. 100% good human being.


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