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Anders Karlsson
post May 27 2016, 06:22 PM
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Hi Todd, I really need help with this piece again. I need to focus on timing and "clean playing". I just made a clip here in 90bpm instead of 105 bpm and afterwards i added the metronome just to compare my timing against the tempo. I can se that Im missing the tempo at some points for an exampel 7-10 sek, there is something i have to work on.

What do you think? It feels like I am comfortable regarding the speed and hand synch. There is some mistakes but i am really focusing staying in the and beat.
How should i work on this, stay in this tempo for a while or should i slow it down even more?

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post May 27 2016, 10:49 PM
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This type of post would have been better in your boot camp to be sure. I do remember you having with one of the bits you were working on. If you would, remind us which piece you are talking about and past the link here now that it has it's own entire thread smile.gif

After listening, it just sounds like you are playing at a speed that is a bit outside of your range/ability. I remember suggesting that you slow the bit down until you could place each note where it went and then increase by one or two BPM and try again then repeat as needed. It sound like you still have a ways to go here. At this speed, it sounds a bit sloppy because you are tyring to catch up with the beat in spots, then overshooting it in others. So I'd still suggest slowing down to whatever point is needed to play the piece clean. It takes time, it's tedious, it often drives people to quit playing. But repetition/practice is the only way to get better. So post it again at whatever speed you can play it clean. No matter how slow and we will work from there smile.gif

Also, is it possible to do video? Even cell phone video? Any video would help me be able to help you. Just hearing it, I can't see what your fingers are doing so I have no idea what your technique looks like. I may be able to suggest changes that could increase your ability drastically, if I could only see you playing. Onward!

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QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ May 27 2016, 01:22 PM) *
Hi Todd, I really need help with this piece again. I need to focus on timing and "clean playing". I just made a clip here in 90bpm instead of 105 bpm and afterwards i added the metronome just to compare my timing against the tempo. I can se that Im missing the tempo at some points for an exampel 7-10 sek, there is something i have to work on.

What do you think? It feels like I am comfortable regarding the speed and hand synch. There is some mistakes but i am really focusing staying in the and beat.
How should i work on this, stay in this tempo for a while or should i slow it down even more?

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post May 28 2016, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 27 2016, 09:49 PM) *
This type of post would have been better in your boot camp to be sure. I do remember you having with one of the bits you were working on. If you would, remind us which piece you are talking about and past the link here now that it has it's own entire thread smile.gif

After listening, it just sounds like you are playing at a speed that is a bit outside of your range/ability. I remember suggesting that you slow the bit down until you could place each note where it went and then increase by one or two BPM and try again then repeat as needed. It sound like you still have a ways to go here. At this speed, it sounds a bit sloppy because you are tyring to catch up with the beat in spots, then overshooting it in others. So I'd still suggest slowing down to whatever point is needed to play the piece clean. It takes time, it's tedious, it often drives people to quit playing. But repetition/practice is the only way to get better. So post it again at whatever speed you can play it clean. No matter how slow and we will work from there smile.gif

Also, is it possible to do video? Even cell phone video? Any video would help me be able to help you. Just hearing it, I can't see what your fingers are doing so I have no idea what your technique looks like. I may be able to suggest changes that could increase your ability drastically, if I could only see you playing. Onward!

Todd

Yes, i have a camera. I just did a quick take without a camera. Ill slow it down even more to really point the beat in this piece. Next time will upload it with a video.
Here is the orginal:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...-picking-chops/

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post May 28 2016, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ May 27 2016, 07:22 PM) *
Hi Todd, I really need help with this piece again. I need to focus on timing and "clean playing". I just made a clip here in 90bpm instead of 105 bpm and afterwards i added the metronome just to compare my timing against the tempo. I can se that Im missing the tempo at some points for an exampel 7-10 sek, there is something i have to work on.

What do you think? It feels like I am comfortable regarding the speed and hand synch. There is some mistakes but i am really focusing staying in the and beat.
How should i work on this, stay in this tempo for a while or should i slow it down even more?

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Cool thanks for this post - it is very helpful in helping you out with (hopefully) good advice..

This shows that even what you percieve as a tempo within your comfort range - is actually outside of your comfort range. And when you speed it up even further it won't get any better.

So just as Todd said - since the tempo is outside your comfort range, your playing tempo is not even and hand synch could be more consistent. Also your sound is very delay heavy - which makes it much harder for you and us to spot the exact problems of your playing. I would advise you to practice with a much dry:er (reverb and delay free) sound.

As Todd said - it can be discouraging to slow down the tempo and sort of "go back" to the basics. So I suggest that you learn something new in paralell with your picking practicing (perhaps a non shred/technical lesson?).


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post May 28 2016, 06:10 PM
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Some very good suggestions here from Kris. Learning other bits, songs, lessons, is a good plan as you can learn several things at once and work a bit on each. It's a way to help your fingers adjust to a variety of challenges instead of focusing on just one. Some folks have a tough time balancing learning various things, but it is really worth trying smile.gif Even if you just take a break from this and try a "non shreddy" lesson, any gains you make can be applied back to the shreddy bits. It all pulls from the same well so to speak.

It can be very off putting when you can't nail something down as you'd want, so don't be shy about stepping back a bit or changing direction as all practice is good practice. Keep this lesson going though, just don't let it get in the way of your overall improvement as a musician by focusing on it too much. Just slow it way down, to the point you can put each note where you want in time, make us a vid so we can make more suggestions, and have patience with yourself and your guitar smile.gif

P.S. thanks for the original link smile.gif Keep in mind this is a LEVEL 7 lesson. At level 7, things can be quite challenging and they will take time to get your head and hands around. I'd say try to break this up in to smaller chunks. One lick at a time for instance. Then put them back together when you can get each one smooth, no matter how slow the metronome is going. At that point you can start moving up the BPM hill smile.gif

P.P.S. This kind of lick is exactly the kind of thing we work on in my SHRED BOOTCAMP. Picking, hand synch, precision, speed, etc. It's the focus of the bootcamp. If you'd like to jump in to that just let me know smile.gif The lessons start off much easier than the one you are working on but they will help you build the fundamentals you need to play stuff like what you are attempting. Without the fundamentals in place, it's like stabbing at the wind.


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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 28 2016, 03:55 AM) *
Cool thanks for this post - it is very helpful in helping you out with (hopefully) good advice..

This shows that even what you percieve as a tempo within your comfort range - is actually outside of your comfort range. And when you speed it up even further it won't get any better.

So just as Todd said - since the tempo is outside your comfort range, your playing tempo is not even and hand synch could be more consistent. Also your sound is very delay heavy - which makes it much harder for you and us to spot the exact problems of your playing. I would advise you to practice with a much dry:er (reverb and delay free) sound.

As Todd said - it can be discouraging to slow down the tempo and sort of "go back" to the basics. So I suggest that you learn something new in paralell with your picking practicing (perhaps a non shred/technical lesson?).


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post Dec 18 2016, 01:44 PM
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Hi I've been struggling with this piece, https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...-picking-chops/

I have problems with hand synch and timing. I've been practing this in slower tempo at 85 procent up to 95 procent. My weakest spot imho is the third section (Gilbert lick). I have some problem when using outside picking. On the way up I'm accidentally hitting the lower string on the way up after an upstroke on the higher string. I'm trying to polish this issue away but it seems to affect my synch.

Here is my previous attempt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XG1isc4Ojc

Anyway, the speed is 95,5 procent of 105 bpm, and this is my limit. If i raise the tempo more then this the hand synch is all over the place:)
I just want to know if I'm on the right track. The video is quite unsynched. Next time i will do a better take.

Im using a dry sound as you can hear. Im using Guitar rig 5 and Im feeling that the guitar doesnt "answer" me. Its like i have to hit hard on the strings. Could it be some adjustments in Guitar rig or just hand synch issues??

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Hey Anders - this is much better. And your speed picking tone is now approaching Paul Gilberts' type of sound!

Whenever there is complication - for example a position switch or change from ascending to descending - we can hear that you are struggling more. This is perfectly normal. Keep doing what you have do so far and you will nail those parts as well.

Also try to work on the tone/timing/ vibrato of the ending notes. You will find out further down the roads they are what really matters smile.gif


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post Dec 19 2016, 03:35 AM
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I"m with Kris smile.gif I can see you fighting it a bit, perhaps a touch more gain would help you not have to pick so hard. Also, are you using a pointed, sharp, thick 1.0mm or better pick? If not, get one smile.gif I've found they help train the hand not to dig in to deep past the strike point on the string. IF you go to deep past the point of the string, closer to the body, it makes everything harder imho. A lighter touch can yield good results.

But like Kris says, this is much improved so your plan of attack is working smile.gif Keep going!

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Hey Anders - this is much better. And your speed picking tone is now approaching Paul Gilberts' type of sound!

Whenever there is complication - for example a position switch or change from ascending to descending - we can hear that you are struggling more. This is perfectly normal. Keep doing what you have do so far and you will nail those parts as well.

Also try to work on the tone/timing/ vibrato of the ending notes. You will find out further down the roads they are what really matters smile.gif


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post Dec 19 2016, 08:17 AM
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Thanks for the response. For the moment I will stay on this tempo and not raise until its clean. As you wrote Kris, I really should pay attention to vibrato etcetera. Is this tempo in my comfort zone or should I slow it down? My plan is to stay in this tempo for a while and raise one percent at the time.
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QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ Dec 19 2016, 08:17 AM) *
Thanks for the response. For the moment I will stay on this tempo and not raise until its clean. As you wrote Kris, I really should pay attention to vibrato etcetera. Is this tempo in my comfort zone or should I slow it down? My plan is to stay in this tempo for a while and raise one percent at the time.


You could slow down a lot, the slower the better!


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Just have an overall question:) When practicing speed picking like this lesson here, where is the "magic spot" of the ultimate tempo vs clean playing? As a glad amateur its hard to know how to develop speed when always practicing in slow tempo. Imho I imagine that you need to push yourself to a higher goal/speed. If I'm not used to practice on the "speed edge" how will I develop speed?

Must it absolute clean tones before raising tempo or how did you executed your practice in this particular area?
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It always varies a bit per player but I'd suggest finding a good center spot to plant your right hand on the bridge so that you can keep a mute on all strings and just tilt your wrist to reach from high E to low E. Speed is just a byproduct of precision. When you learn precision, as you go, your speed will almost happen by itself imho smile.gif Mine certainly dig. I got a stylus pick and it trained my hand on picking precision. Thats when I switched to stiff/pointy picks. smile.gif

Todd

here is a link to my signature pick on the VPICKS site. It's about 1.5mm and has no flex/bend at all which is the way I like it smile.gif That's why I had to switch away from jazz picks. I liked the pointy part, but they had just a hint of flex which i didn't dig.
http://www.v-picks.com/product/switchblade/

here is a big thread on Vonhotch picks.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=53433

Here is a vid that contains my signature octavious that is 3.2 mm thick smile.gif

https://youtu.be/9RDSEr8oQA4


QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ Dec 19 2016, 12:54 PM) *
Just have an overall question:) When practicing speed picking like this lesson here, where is the "magic spot" of the ultimate tempo vs clean playing? As a glad amateur its hard to know how to develop speed when always practicing in slow tempo. Imho I imagine that you need to push yourself to a higher goal/speed. If I'm not used to practice on the "speed edge" how will I develop speed?

Must it absolute clean tones before raising tempo or how did you executed your practice in this particular area?


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