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post Jun 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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I didn't know if this should go here or in chill out.

What I am currently amazed with, guitar playing wise is how, you practise a new rhythm part with open chords that you aren't very good at. You struggle and don't improve much during the session then, the amazing thing happens. The next day, you pick up where you left off and after a couple of minutes you are better than your were the day before. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

I know how muscles grow, you go into the gym, break them down, they re-grow and add a bit ready for next time hence, you have to add weight to the bar to keep growing but HOW, does it work with a dexterity thing like playing open chords???????


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post Jun 29 2016, 02:57 PM
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Things become ingrained with repetition (good and bad) so the brain connection to the muscles and tendons form a sort of memory.

It can take an age to rid yourself of bad playing habits in the same way. I'm currently trying to get my thumb in a different position to how it naturally has been for the last 20 odd years sad.gif it's a slow boring process!


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post Jun 29 2016, 03:11 PM
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I find it amazing how it happens while we're NOT playing though. I do notice some improvement while practicing but, very often it's when I go back to the guitar the next day. The subconscious fairies have been at work biggrin.gif

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post Jun 29 2016, 04:25 PM
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I don't know, I'll have wait until I improve to answer that smile.gif. Also, sometimes when I miss a day of practice, I have a fresh outlook when I resume the next day, and I do better.


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post Jun 29 2016, 07:43 PM
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As Todd Said (and other too)

"Practice !! practice ! and practice !"

we must drill as much the lesson till the brain eat it

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post Jun 29 2016, 08:04 PM
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It's the subconscious improvement that amazes me. It's almost like your brain is working on it while you are sleep and working without your guitar. I think Kenny Werner says something about it in his book "The Art Of Mastery"



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post Jun 29 2016, 09:34 PM
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It's a good point smile.gif Our brain keeps chewing on things even when we are not doing them. It's handy to practice a bit before bed as your brain will keep working on it even while you are asleep. You may even remember dreaming about playing. It's a very important part of the process smile.gif Without the practice bit, the sub conscious bit doesn't work, but as an add on, it can really help smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 29 2016, 03:04 PM) *
It's the subconscious improvement that amazes me. It's almost like your brain is working on it while you are sleep and working without your guitar. I think Kenny Werner says something about it in his book "The Art Of Mastery"


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post Jun 29 2016, 09:59 PM
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Todd and Phil are right

the brain seem to have a background work sheduling, like whne you saerch to remember something, and nothing come, then later, suddently you have the answer from deep in your memory.

Like any heavy parallelised system, background task are running.....

This is more appreciable after some days without touching a guitar....when you get it back, your are 200% better than before !

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post Jun 29 2016, 10:22 PM
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Cool topic - for me improvement is like a drug, I need my daily fix!!

On the guitar I think it's a combination of control - ie the brain needs to learn which nerves to control, and a brain/willpower thing where we have learned exactly what we want to hear/achieve, and that determination makes it sound like we're more in control next time we give it a new attempt (because we are in fact!). I think it's rarely a strength/muscle thing.


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post Jun 30 2016, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 29 2016, 07:04 PM) *
It's the subconscious improvement that amazes me. It's almost like your brain is working on it while you are sleep and working without your guitar. I think Kenny Werner says something about it in his book "The Art Of Mastery"

He does, it's called "Effortless Mastery". And yeah he speaks at length about how most things happen when we don't play. He gives the example early in his book about being forced to practice only playing one note for 5 minutes every day. He wasn't allowed to practice anything else during this time. The meditative and the actual rest from "normal" practice as well as the "not having bad conscience" about not practicing gave him space to get better even though he felt like he was hardly practicing.

You might be thinking of some other example he gave in that book since it's filled with great snippets of thought-juice.

Thanks for making me think about his book again.


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post Jun 30 2016, 07:14 PM
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Ahhhhh yeah, that's the title, I got mixed up with The Art of Practice by Howard Snell wink.gif


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I also find sometimes when my brain is fogged and fatigued, stepping away for the night or just a few hours is just what I need to recharge. But yeah, the brain is good at solidifying connections while you sleep.


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post Jul 2 2016, 03:03 AM
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Very cool thread smile.gif Some folks believe that doing anything you want to get better at, should happen near bed time. That way, your brain is still chewing on it when you sleep. Also, if you practice for 5 minutes, per the post from Verc, it beats practicing zero minutes. Also, some folks feel very guilty about not practicing. This sets up a negative cycle. They avoid guitar to avoid feeling guilty.

So even if it's 5 minutes a day, right before bed, it's way better than nothing and you are leveraging some powerful learning techniques at the same time smile.gif

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He does, it's called "Effortless Mastery". And yeah he speaks at length about how most things happen when we don't play. He gives the example early in his book about being forced to practice only playing one note for 5 minutes every day. He wasn't allowed to practice anything else during this time. The meditative and the actual rest from "normal" practice as well as the "not having bad conscience" about not practicing gave him space to get better even though he felt like he was hardly practicing.

You might be thinking of some other example he gave in that book since it's filled with great snippets of thought-juice.

Thanks for making me think about his book again.


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post Jul 2 2016, 09:09 AM
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Todd, check your PM, Guerilla Practice is there, very interesting wink.gif


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