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post Aug 16 2017, 06:00 AM
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Maybe you read it on off-topic, but I will need to pause a few days as I injured my wrist during a soccer game. Hopefully it will recover fast with my supernatural human genes. biggrin.gif
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Oh! I'm so sorry mate. Ok, take care, listen to music and read about theory!


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Hey Gab! So, as I was not able to play to play lately, I started yesterday, but not to full extent.

Therefore, I just went with a chord progressnion: B minor, F #, E Maj, F and added a few melodies on b-minor scale.

It is fully improvised, just to learn playing on scales. What do you think?

https://soundcloud.com/tim-heger-962320112/...-le-ai-elements

By the way: is there any tip on how to move forward from a certain chords progression? Like use the maj 3rd or maj 5th of the root note or whatever? How do you progress after you found a first idea/riff/melody?

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Hi mate! That sounds really good! I like it.

There are no rules in music, if it sounds good to you it's ok. However, there are concepts, and techniques that will help you to create effective chord progressions. You need to know about scales, tonalities, chord functions, modal interchange and modulation. Most of this things can be learnt by reading about theory, but it's also important to analyze music.

For song analysis, I strongly recommend getting into The Beatles. This man made the most amazing song analysis ever and he covered every Beatles song: http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABA...-notes_on.shtml

This thread will also help: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=15794



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Hey Gab,

so finally back from "guitar" vacation due to my wrist issues. It is still not perfect, but Doc says it is ok to begin slowly.

Hope to give you my next takes during the week, latest next week end!
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Hey Gab!

Just something I would like to share with you. Currently working on band stuff, here is the latest one.

I still have issues with my wrist, so Im off with riffing only :/

Let me know what you think smile.gifAttached File  FemmeFatale_Drums__online_audio_converter.com_.mp3 ( 1.42MB ) Number of downloads: 7


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Hey mate!

Nice!! Great to see you working on your original music! Those riffs sound very fresh to me. I can hear some influences from post hardcore, punk, and some mathcore too. I noticed that you started adding some vocals but just in a small part. Do you have any idea of the structure of this? Can you identify parts like verse, chorus, part C, and so?

If not, it would be interesting if you get into some of your favorite bands and analyse their music. We've talked a bit about this at this thread. Have you tried it?


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Hey Gab,

we were again very busy writing. I would like to share some song with full vocals with you and discuss structure and maybe you got a hint or two. Would you share your mail as PN? Don't want to upload it to public forum.

Thanks!

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Nice!! Great to see you working on your original music! Those riffs sound very fresh to me. I can hear some influences from post hardcore, punk, and some mathcore too. I noticed that you started adding some vocals but just in a small part. Do you have any idea of the structure of this? Can you identify parts like verse, chorus, part C, and so?

If not, it would be interesting if you get into some of your favorite bands and analyse their music. We've talked a bit about this at this thread. Have you tried it?

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Hi mate! Sure! What about sending it via PM here at GMC?


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Hi Gab, I have send you a soundcloud link.

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Hi mate! Sure! What about sending it via PM here at GMC?


https://soundcloud.com/tim-heger-962320112/landr-madhouse3-1

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Hi mate, I got it!

What's this exactly? Who's singing? Please tell me more about thisi recording. Also, tell me what are your thoughts about structure and everything else.



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Hi mate, I got it!

What's this exactly? Who's singing? Please tell me more about thisi recording. Also, tell me what are your thoughts about structure and everything else.


Hi Gab, so it seems my PN did not go through to you.

So general set-up:

Guitars 1 & 2 - Helix native, Fender Strat & Fender Tele with Seymour Duncans
Simple Bass - Helix native
Vocals recorded by solid state preamp namely Focus scarlett
Drums by free vst

So, generally it is a song - at least to me - of a really good mood, although it has dark, neoclassical and minor/diminished elements.

It was created by jamming on shuffle drums as it just gives you that nice feel. We are quite happy with the overall result, although vocals are not even close to being as good as they are in reality. We have tried different things like mic position, rooms, solid state vs tube pre, but it seems difficult to reach a better result. So in verse 1 and 2 his frequency range is lower than in pre, chorus and late chorus and we think that it overlays too much with the guitar frequency.

Anyhow, it is in the key of A, some structures composed of really easy chord shapes, but nice grooves played on the related pentatonics. Second guitar then fills it up with some groovy lead melodies. Overall it has quite a lot of parts and we tried to build up a nice climax until the solo kicks off. Song becomes more sad, but also crazy, still keeping its original idea that someone is lost in a madhouse, just talking to miss janine who is the nurse providing the pills tongue.gif

Post solo we changed the verse totally to get even more groove into the mix and added a last chorus to finish up the whole climax by singing same melody as the lead provides. Then outro as you have heard.

Bass is most of the time very similar to the guitar.

What are your impressions of the mix and how do you like the songs?

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Hi mate, thanks for the info!

I can say that I like the style. I'll comment all the things that come to my mind when listening to this, some of these ideas are surely subjective, or maybe most of them, but I think that honest comments is what you need at this point.

I like the style of the song, the vocals "colour", the groove, and the lead melodies. The lead vocals make me think one The Doors, The Cult, but the overall style make me think on more modern post punk revival bands like The Vaccines or maybe The Hives with a darker feel, like Interpol, Artic Monkeys, and a bit of QOTSA.

Based on the bands that I've listed, I feel that the sound of drums, bass, and more specially guitars are not totally connected with the style of the song. I would experiment with guitar tones with less gain, more vintage style, and the same for other instruments. A different type of sound would make you play other type of arrangements and guitar solos.






This songs are just as a sample of the type of production, but I don't mean that your songs should sound like that. I mean that it could sound cooler with some influence from these type of bands, just explore these styles.

About the arrangements, I feel that there is too much information all the time. I would try trying to have less information on verses to let the chorus have more impact when it starts. Analyse how your favourite songs are arranged in this way, notice how each part is arrangement to let the song flow smoother.


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