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 Ibanez Thermion Amp, 120Watts Tube Amp for an awesome price!
 Aug 1 2007, 02:57 PM Post #21 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 2.766 Joined: 12-February 07 From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas Member No.: 1.189 QUOTE (Otto @ Aug 1 2007, 08:49 AM) 120W tube amp ???Pavel you going on a tour soon?That thing seem to blast anything down Our dear friend Yngwie uses 50w tube amps but a bunch of them and they sound alot To double the loudness of an amp, you have to put out 8 times the wattage. I believe that is the formula.That 120W amp might only be 20% louder than a 50 watt amp. 50 watts is enough for most people, more than enough. unless you have a lot of speakers, i believe in that case, you need the wattage to drive them. not an expert on this stuff, but i think that is correct.edit: let me check that. you are 2.4 x the wattage. so the increase in volume would be the cube root of 2.4.ok, start with 1.2. 1.2^3 = 1.44x.1.2 = i can see that is too small. Try a bigger number1.3^3 = 1.69x1.3 = 2.2 approximately. ok1.35^3 = 1.35+.405+.0675= 1.76 approx. x 1.35 = 2.4 approximately.SO................................................120 Watt Ibanez amp is about 1.35 times as loud as Yngwie's, who plays a fender with a 9.5 radius neck. This post has been edited by fkalich: Aug 1 2007, 03:07 PM
 Aug 1 2007, 03:05 PM Post #22 Instructor Group: Passive Posts: 3.764 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Rijeka, Croatia Member No.: 1.055 QUOTE (Otto @ Aug 1 2007, 03:49 PM) 120W tube amp ???Pavel you going on a tour soon?That thing seem to blast anything down Our dear friend Yngwie uses 50w tube amps but a bunch of them and they sound alot No i am not going on tour. But i don't have a decent tube amp and i am buying one anyway. If you are joining a serious band you must have an equipment for rehearsals and playing live, i am not joining a band yet but i still want to have a good equipment. When i was recording a demo with my ex-band in a studio i didn't have an amp to record with, i had to borrow one and in the end i had a crappy sound on the damn record we payed for.Honestly - i didn't know Yngwie was using a 50W amps! But also - what's the point of having 100x50Watt amps on stage instead of 1x120Watts??Whatever tube head is there - Mesa, Peavy, Carvin, Randall, Engl, Hughes, Marshall - most of them are 100 to 120 Watts so this is nothing extraordinary. The Uncreator: if you get it some time soon - make a review on it and also post some sound clips! -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo BatioCheck out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Aug 1 2007, 03:17 PM Post #23 Fire Up The Blades, Moderator Group: GMC Senior Posts: 8.933 Joined: 6-March 07 From: St. Petersburg, Florida Member No.: 1.304 Im going up to sam ash in a few days, if they got it there im definetly fonna play it
 Aug 1 2007, 03:26 PM Post #24 Instructor Group: Passive Posts: 3.764 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Rijeka, Croatia Member No.: 1.055 QUOTE (fkalich @ Aug 1 2007, 03:57 PM) To double the loudness of an amp, you have to put out 8 times the wattage. I believe that is the formula.That 120W amp might only be 20% louder than a 50 watt amp. 50 watts is enough for most people, more than enough. unless you have a lot of speakers, i believe in that case, you need the wattage to drive them. not an expert on this stuff, but i think that is correct.edit: let me check that. you are 2.4 x the wattage. so the increase in volume would be the cube root of 2.4.ok, start with 1.2. 1.2^3 = 1.44x.1.2 = i can see that is too small. Try a bigger number1.3^3 = 1.69x1.3 = 2.2 approximately. ok1.35^3 = 1.35+.405+.0675= 1.76 approx. x 1.35 = 2.4 approximately.SO................................................120 Watt Ibanez amp is about 1.35 times as loud as Yngwie's, who plays a fender with a 9.5 radius neck.Is the loudness that important?? I think it's the sound everybody is worried about! And live playing - especially if you have money for only 1 amp? I think 120Watts don't make anything wrong! -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo BatioCheck out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Aug 1 2007, 03:31 PM Post #25 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 25-July 07 From: Sweden Bredaryd Member No.: 2.395 A tube amp works when its loud.... it cant be compared to digital stuff when played at low volume, thats why I got "scared about 120W" I want a tubeamp, but have to move to a own house before that can happend!
 Aug 1 2007, 03:48 PM Post #27 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 2.766 Joined: 12-February 07 From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas Member No.: 1.189 QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2007, 09:26 AM) Is the loudness that important?? I think it's the sound everybody is worried about! And live playing - especially if you have money for only 1 amp? I think 120Watts don't make anything wrong! got ya. I just play for myself, and that is all I ever intend. But if I were someone who wanted to play professionally, I would probably get a 100+ watt amp.except, and I probably should just post this in a different thread.My hearing is fine. But i have some tinnitus in my left ear. Genkgo works pretty well for me, most of the time it is quiet, or low enough that I don't pay any attention, so long as I take the Genkgo. It is cheap, and supposed to make you smarter, so that is fine, i take it three times a day. But i know what I am talking about. I am glad I don't have it all the time, but those with hearing loss associated have it all the time, they never know what quiet is. Generally people that have this also have bad ears. Mine may be caused by a growth, but it is not dangerous, so not worried about it.Today young people have very bad hearing, at an early age, very common. Hearing as bad at 30 as people used to have in their 50s. And associated tinnitus often. Mostly the earphones are doing this, the music. Doctors can do little, other than hearing aids. Ear surgery is really brain surgery for all practical purposes. It may be a long long time before they can deal with this in the way they deal with other internal organs.Hearing loss occurs when you experience decibels exceeding a certain level for a certain period. The higher the decibels, the less time you can listen without having hearing damage, irreversible. It does not occur instantaneous. 2 hours at high decibel heavy metal is just about a recipe for most in the audience wishing to heck 10 or 20 years later that they had not been so stupid. A person should research this, and make an intelligent decision, really. Mostly you cannot listen to a certain level more than a certain duration. Or you get damaged hearing. There is no way out of that, and you can find charts that will give you a good estimate of when the damage will occur.I am not saying you can't play loud for some songs. But this loud non stop IS DESTROYING the ears of the bands and the audience, don't kid yourself.
 Aug 1 2007, 04:04 PM Post #28 Instructor Group: Passive Posts: 3.764 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Rijeka, Croatia Member No.: 1.055 I know that about the hearing! That's why i hate live concerts because the sound actually disappears and all you get is a bunch of high decibel noise which is tearing your head apart!Fortunately i almost don't use those CD player headphones. If i listen to music than it's speakers! -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo BatioCheck out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Aug 1 2007, 04:20 PM Post #30 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 25-July 07 From: Sweden Bredaryd Member No.: 2.395 VERY loud is bad for the ears yes, but loud music aint bad, A good tubeamp has to be played loud! that said lets listen ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNwN3rSrvaE
 Aug 1 2007, 04:25 PM Post #31 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 1 2007, 02:18 AM) Andrew!Huh? Oh, where is RL then? I'm in California today ... -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBloodAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Aug 1 2007, 04:33 PM Post #32 Instructor Group: Passive Posts: 3.764 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Rijeka, Croatia Member No.: 1.055 MikeM - thanks for the post! I don't want that amp because it's 120W but because i like it's sound - at least what i heard from sound samples (note that in Croatia there is no chance for me to try it in music store, just like no other amp), i like it's price, design...I don't know! When i have money for the amp i'll try to go to Italy to try something out! -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo BatioCheck out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Aug 1 2007, 04:38 PM Post #33 Moderator - low level high stakes Group: GMC Senior Posts: 6.173 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Espania - Cadiz province Member No.: 2.194 QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 1 2007, 05:25 PM) Huh? Oh, where is RL then? I'm in California today ...Well I suppose the States and California can seem a long way from R(eal) L(ife) . But if you have time pop down to a guitar shop and give us the low down on the Theramon please Andrew. For all of us who are miles from a decent guitar shop please .Cheers,Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.comBe friends on facebook with us here.We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes:Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo.
 Aug 1 2007, 04:43 PM Post #34 Instructor Group: Passive Posts: 3.764 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Rijeka, Croatia Member No.: 1.055 It's Thermion! And yes Andrew - do us a favor - try that amp! -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo BatioCheck out my video lessons and instructor board!
 Aug 1 2007, 04:43 PM Post #35 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 2.766 Joined: 12-February 07 From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas Member No.: 1.189 QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2007, 10:04 AM) I know that about the hearing! That's why i hate live concerts because the sound actually disappears and all you get is a bunch of high decibel noise which is tearing your head apart!Fortunately i almost don't use those CD player headphones. If i listen to music than it's speakers! I figured you had thought about it. Your a smart guy. Its a matter of so much decibels in x period of time. So you are doing the right thing, not exposing yourself to extended non stop head banging. That is the real danger, just more in a night than the ears can handle, and you wake up with damaged ears, irreversible. Maybe you go into denial for awhile, or it does not show up for a decade, but the damage is done. If bands would break it up some, some soft music, it would be ok. Nothing wrong with an Acoustic guitar, G&R did that. Probably pretty hard for a musician not to have a bit of damage over time, at least i bit more than typical. But you don't want it to be so excessive that it will cause you serious distress, or even depression. Moderation makes sense here.
 Aug 1 2007, 04:47 PM Post #36 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 377 Joined: 13-December 05 From: White River, Ont, Canada Member No.: 196 Well If you have some sort of multi effects pedal you can always turn down the volume on the pedal and then turn up the volume on the amp to get a good "tubed sound".Wow I never even thought of that, Im gonna try it This post has been edited by Rob_g: Aug 1 2007, 04:47 PM
 Aug 1 2007, 04:47 PM Post #37 Born of NWOBHM, Moderation Team Leader Group: Members Posts: 8.562 Joined: 9-January 07 From: Stockholm, Sweden Member No.: 1.062 QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2007, 05:33 PM) MikeM - thanks for the post! I don't want that amp because it's 120W but because i like it's sound - at least what i heard from sound samples (note that in Croatia there is no chance for me to try it in music store, just like no other amp), i like it's price, design...I don't know! When i have money for the amp i'll try to go to Italy to try something out! Yes, it had great sound, I liked it too. Question is what the setting were when they recorded it. Full throttle or low volumes.What we should (ask Andrew to) find out is if it also sound that good on low volumes.F ex my Switchblade sounds good on low volume, so does my Peavey, both sound better and better the more I raise the volume. The Switchblade hasn't been above 9-10 o'clock yet though since it's too loud.I had an old Marshall that was hopeless, sounded really bad a low volumes but sprung to life when the volume was closer to maxed, man, then it sounded so swell. But it was so loud it wasn't possible to play like that for longer times and certainly not when the rest of the band was around.The solution is a power sponge - Marshall, Hot plate or whatever brands there are, I never used one so I don't know but I've heard they are real useful. --------------------