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post Nov 3 2016, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Nov 3 2016, 08:32 AM) *
cool. Im thinking about a scarlett focusrite. Probably the 2i2. Although the 6i6 seems to have SPDIF connections at the back, dunno yet if I need those.
basically it would be - guitar > kemper > focusrite 2i2 / 6i6 > PC ( reaper ). Mainly I'll be using h/phones but maybe getting monitors in the future.
If anything about that looks wrong, let me know smile.gif
I can pickup the focusrite next week, no rush as I have a hefty learning curve to get a handle on.

Some of the clean profiles Ive had a quick play through have sounded amazing though. Ive been really impressed so far. Its an awesome beast of thing biggrin.gif


The 2i4 has midi, can be used for sync'ing delays times with DAW but I'm not sure about spdif (to be honest I can't even remember the last time I used that connection). I guess its best to dig the Kemper forums for info.

As for focusrite they're fine soundcards, sort of a bar standard as they're so popular. Just make sure to get a new generation one (mkll) as they have slightly lower latency than the previous scarlett's.


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post Nov 3 2016, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Nov 3 2016, 08:30 PM) *
The 2i4 has midi, can be used for sync'ing delays times with DAW but I'm not sure about spdif (to be honest I can't even remember the last time I used that connection). I guess its best to dig the Kemper forums for info.

As for focusrite they're fine soundcards, sort of a bar standard as they're so popular. Just make sure to get a new generation one (mkll) as they have slightly lower latency than the previous scarlett's.

Had a trawl through the Kemper forums, the focusrite 6i6 seems to always be in the mix for recommendations. I found a 2nd gen one on amazon for a decent price compared to other places so I just ordered it.

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Congratulations Scott mate, nothing like new gear and that's a mighty fine piece of kit smile.gif

You've got my GAS going now laugh.gif

thanks mate and you're welcome biggrin.gif
Pretty much blown my 2017 guitar budget already ohmy.gif Im telling my Mrs I won the kemper in a truth telling contest wink.gif


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post Nov 3 2016, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Nov 3 2016, 08:17 PM) *
Had a trawl through the Kemper forums, the focusrite 6i6 seems to always be in the mix for recommendations. I found a 2nd gen one on amazon for a decent price compared to other places so I just ordered it.


Cool, Phil if I remember correct has a similar model as his experience is fresh I'm sure he'll help if needed.

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You've got my GAS going now laugh.gif


Uh oh... rolleyes.gif laugh.gif


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post Nov 3 2016, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Nov 3 2016, 08:27 PM) *
Cool, Phil if I remember correct has a similar model as his experience is fresh I'm sure he'll help if needed.


Yes I have the Scarlett 18i8 and I love it, nice and simple smile.gif

QUOTE (Mertay @ Nov 3 2016, 08:27 PM) *
Uh oh... rolleyes.gif laugh.gif


Sorry laugh.gif


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post Nov 5 2016, 04:37 AM
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I'm sure kemper owners don't care a lick about these things or they would have just bought an axe fx.

After a bit of research I was STUNNED/FLOORED/TAKEN ABACK/AGHAST at the fact that the kemper is NOT, capable of being an audio interface on it's own. Of all the things to leave out? Even the 11 Rack has a full stereo 96hhz usb 2.0 recording interface built in. It's certainly not in the price/feature range of the Kemper. The Axe FX (at least the new one anyway) has a nice stereo usb recording interface built in (though it didn't have it until the recent revision). Does kinda shock me in this day and age that a device of such great cost wouldn't have an interface, AND doesn't have a handy software app, PC/Mac/Tablet or otherwise to edit patches on?

They have mastered TONE, arguably, but left off bits that even line 6 can manage? Just no good reason for that IMHO. A serious oversight he should be corrected ASAP.

Of course, I'm sure Kemper owners don't care a bit that these things dont' exist. I'm not a kemper owner, so I feel free of course to wax on about how it's just nuts that they are not standard. Yup, nuts. But again, just me, not a kemper owner.


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post Nov 5 2016, 08:37 AM
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Todd - if you care about tone (Kpa users do) you have most likely already invested in a good interface. You'll then just find it annoying to pay for another one in the kpa (+ there is spdif)


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QUOTE (Mertay @ Nov 3 2016, 07:30 PM) *
As for focusrite they're fine soundcards, sort of a bar standard as they're so popular. Just make sure to get a new generation one (mkll) as they have slightly lower latency than the previous scarlett's.


I don't get any noticeable latency smile.gif

Check THIS out particularly the last section, "Zero/Ultra Low Latency Tracking and Direct Monitor" wink.gif

I've forgotten most of how to best set up a Scarlett because I'm not constantly fiddling but Scott should get to grips with the Scarlett MixControl, it can be useful at times and make things simpler wink.gif




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I'm not too fussed about the no audio interface thing tbh. Its such a different animal to what I've been using up until now. It's not a deal breaker, it sounds way too good biggrin.gif
I got the focusrite 6i6 but I'm away for a couple of days so in can't play with it just now.

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Hopefully you can read the link in my post while you're away so you're ready for action on your return wink.gif


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post Nov 5 2016, 01:23 PM
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Hello and a good day to all!

I've owned my Kemper for over 4 years! I've only bought 1 amp since I owned it and that was the Mark V:25. I actually sold it as I never used it. Since then I've never even thought of buying a new amp. I may come across a new profile that I really enjoy and just geek out on it.

Cleans/Crunch/Gain, you will need a profile of each. Kemper can clean up and take gain off or on, but something to do with the algorithm it kind of give it a default tone instead of what the amp itself would do. So if you are moving a tiny bit say a 20% change you will be fine just something more extreme and it goes to a stock sound. At that point I just tend to play around with the stomp boxes for the sound. Not that I use the cleans all that often! laugh.gif

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I wish it had a program to edit on a computer, just for searching which sounds I want to play with instead of turning a little knob or hitting a button.

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I'm not sure where I am in the gen market, pretty sure I'm a 1 or 2. The only problem with my unit I have had which is small but may bother others is the collar ring leds have started to go. Everything else works just like day one.


Guitar > KPA > Interface >DAW. I use to run with the XLR to the mic input was pretty straight forward with just making sure you send out your tone in mono that way you grab all stomps with it. I no longer run with the XLR, reasoning? I tried to have my KPA send a clean and a dirty so I could re-amp things. Needless to say, I couldn't figure it out for myself. No one really talked of how to do it when I tried and I haven't tried since. I am currently running spdif into it, 1 cable and it's set to stereo. I also tend to record in stereo when using certain effects as the utilize that way the best.

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That's how I have my 6i6 setup into Reaper with a buffer of 4.0ms , not sure if the 2nd gen has the same mix controls tho. I haven't had any problems with latency what so ever. The mutes are so that the 6i6 doesn't give live monitoring on top of Reaper.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 5 2016, 03:37 AM) *
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I was also a bit surprised, my guess is aside what has already been mentioned it maybe be using analog sound enhancements right after the sampled signal internally (maybe an exciter or universal clipping stage)


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 5 2016, 03:37 AM) *
I'm sure kemper owners don't care a lick about these things or they would have just bought an axe fx.


Not only do Kemper not care about it, but I think it's safe to say don't want it. IMHO Kemper owners choose Kemper because they want something that sounds great and is simple. The don't want USB outputs, patch editors, flexible module routing, frequent updates, extensive control from pedals, dual amps, sophisticated effects, etc. Yes, those things are useful, but they come at cost. They make the modeler more complex.



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Good point!! It would increase the price a bit I'm sure. I can't imagine by much though? Then again, it really is designed to be a TONE MONSTER, not a recording interface. The 11 rack is very similar to a DIGI O2 Pro Tools recording interface that happens to have some guitar modelling, so it's a very different unit. The Axe FX seems somewhere in between. Sorta has features of both, but not as focused on "Amp Tone Monsterism" smile.gif

Still, I do hope they add the ability to record via usb @96khz as the chips to do it are getting very cheap now, and having it on the road would be handy for touring folks. A laptop and the kemper and bam, portable recording rig!

Also, the software app/ipad/iphone/app, seems like it's gotta be on deck. I'm just guessing though smile.gif The next version of the kemper could have neither of these things. Not having them hasn't slowed sales a bit. The company has grown like a weed!

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 5 2016, 03:37 AM) *
Todd - if you care about tone (Kpa users do) you have most likely already invested in a good interface. You'll then just find it annoying to pay for another one in the kpa (+ there is spdif)


Another good point. This didn't even occur to me. You are, spot on, per usual. It's all about the TONE on the KEMPER and it does it better than pretty much anyone else. It's also a bit more like using an amp, with actual knobs and such, instead of a bluetooth connected ipad, which is just another visual interface to have to learn in order to control it. I"m a iphone/ipad/plugin sorta guy, so I"m all about that kinda stuff smile.gif But they are really not marketing to me. I bought a used 11 rack.

QUOTE (Rammikin @ Nov 5 2016, 02:53 PM) *
Not only do Kemper not care about it, but I think it's safe to say don't want it. IMHO Kemper owners choose Kemper because they want something that sounds great and is simple. The don't want USB outputs, patch editors, flexible module routing, frequent updates, extensive control from pedals, dual amps, sophisticated effects, etc. Yes, those things are useful, but they come at cost. They make the modeler more complex.


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I know this isn't Scott's version but why 600 watts? I must be missing something HERE


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QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Nov 5 2016, 01:23 PM) *
Hello and a good day to all!

I've owned my Kemper for over 4 years! I've only bought 1 amp since I owned it and that was the Mark V:25. I actually sold it as I never used it. Since then I've never even thought of buying a new amp. I may come across a new profile that I really enjoy and just geek out on it.

Thanks for posting those tips. Looks like I'll have the same setup / gear as yourself, very handy to know wink.gif
I'll be cracking open the focusrite and hopefully will have things up and running soon.


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 6 2016, 09:51 PM) *
I know this isn't Scott's version but why 600 watts? I must be missing something HERE


From their website; Both the Rack and the Head (black version only) are available with a build in Class D power amp. It produces 600 Watt @ 8 Ohm or 300 Watt @ 16 Ohm. The power amp was designed by renowned IcePower in Denmark. It offers pristine sound quality running linear speakers, as well as running classic guitar speaker cabinets.
The Class D technique makes the most energy efficient power amp solution, emitting only a minimum of heat. That reduces the need of heat sinks, as well as the size and weight. The combination with the Kemper Profiler turns the PowerHead and the PowerRack into a super smart and compact all-in solution.


The wattage to spl I believe isn't the same with traditional amps, this 7'' single studio monitor can uses 150w so I guess 600w isn't so extreme; http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/pro...a7x/description

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That ADAM A7X is a powered monitor so it's got it's own 150 watt amp in it. 600 watts @ 8 ohms may seem a bit like overkill, but it's not coming from "tubes" so I'm guessing the transient response needed a bit more power to make it really responsive? Just at a guess though smile.gif


QUOTE (Mertay @ Nov 6 2016, 06:08 PM) *
From their website; Both the Rack and the Head (black version only) are available with a build in Class D power amp. It produces 600 Watt @ 8 Ohm or 300 Watt @ 16 Ohm. The power amp was designed by renowned IcePower in Denmark. It offers pristine sound quality running linear speakers, as well as running classic guitar speaker cabinets.
The Class D technique makes the most energy efficient power amp solution, emitting only a minimum of heat. That reduces the need of heat sinks, as well as the size and weight. The combination with the Kemper Profiler turns the PowerHead and the PowerRack into a super smart and compact all-in solution.


The wattage to spl I believe isn't the same with traditional amps, this 7'' single studio monitor can uses 150w so I guess 600w isn't so extreme; http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/pro...a7x/description


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 6 2016, 11:35 PM) *
Good point!! It would increase the price a bit I'm sure. I can't imagine by much though?


Exactly, you can't until you have tried one - only then can you determine if it is over-/under- or perfectly priced.

I think a lot of people would agree that a unit which can give you the exact sound of ~ any amp in the world must be worth a lot smile.gif


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 6 2016, 10:47 PM) *
That ADAM A7X is a powered monitor so it's got it's own 150 watt amp in it. 600 watts @ 8 ohms may seem a bit like overkill, but it's not coming from "tubes" so I'm guessing the transient response needed a bit more power to make it really responsive? Just at a guess though smile.gif


On Class D amps, what I mainly know is they're ultra transparent.

With guitar amps an important part of the tone is coming from the poweramp (modern amps usually smooths highs, vintage amps distort) but as we already have sampled tone we don't want to add anything thats normally not there. You're right about the transients but bigger size also helps noise and maintain a flatter freq. responce. Bigger is always better with poweramps smile.gif

Side note; Class D amps really struggled at first when entering hi-fi and studio's. The sounded very unmusical, boring but over the years they improved a lot. I'm expecting to see more of them in time on various guitar related products.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 6 2016, 09:35 PM) *
Good point!! It would increase the price a bit I'm sure. I can't imagine by much though?


fyi, when I said "cost", I didn't mean the price. I meant if Kemper had features that competitors do, it would be more complicated and more difficult to master. With ever more complicated gear these days, that's an important part of the cost of a new piece of gear that we all must deal with.

I don't know about Kemper sales. They're facing more competitive pressure than ever, and last week the AX8 price dropped $100.



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