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post Oct 14 2016, 07:10 PM
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Hey, if everything goes south - move out west. We don't call it the Republic of California for nothing. Well, actually it is for nothing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic ... but no matter. CA is the 9th largest economy in the world. Money talks, bullshit walks. We're usually fine.


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post Oct 14 2016, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 14 2016, 01:10 PM) *
Hey, if everything goes south - move out west. We don't call it the Republic of California for nothing. Well, actually it is for nothing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic ... but no matter. CA is the 9th largest economy in the world. Money talks, bullshit walks. We're usually fine.


Always been fond of CA for being in the forefront of the progressive movement.

Actually the KC area is not bad, in fact I noticed that the Humane Society endorsed our Congressman, rare for a Republican, the single lawmaker endorsed from the State of Kansas. And the same goes on the Missouri side with Emanuel Cleaver, a really good black man. It is a pretty moderate area. However once you get west of Lawrence and the University of Kansas, or east of KC except for St. Louis, you can hear banjos playing.

For the most part, red state politicians vote against animal welfare/protection. I find this a good barometer of moral compass, compassion for animals. In CA, nearly all of them are endorsed.

http://www.hslf.org/assets/pdfs/hslf-2016-endorsements.pdf

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 14 2016, 11:51 PM) *
Always been fond of CA for being in the forefront of the progressive movement.

Actually the KC area is not bad, in fact I noticed that the Humane Society endorsed our Congressman, rare for a Republican, the single lawmaker endorsed from the State of Kansas. And the same goes on the Missouri side with Emanuel Cleaver, a really good black man. It is a pretty moderate area. However once you get west of Lawrence and the University of Kansas, or east of KC except for St. Louis, you can hear banjos playing.

For the most part, red state politicians vote against animal welfare/protection. I find this a good barometer of moral compass, compassion for animals. In CA, nearly all of them are endorsed.

http://www.hslf.org/assets/pdfs/hslf-2016-endorsements.pdf

yup, just us deplorable s west of Kc playing our banjos, you need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS about the acceptance and tolerance your party thinks you have

P. freakin s.

ttttttttttttttrrrrigggggggggggered

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all hearsay at this point, who is drinking what cool-aid ?










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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 14 2016, 06:10 PM) *
Hey, if everything goes south - move out west. We don't call it the Republic of California for nothing.


No! There are enough people here already. Don't listen to Ken smile.gif.



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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 15 2016, 04:27 AM) *
No! There are enough people here already. Don't listen to Ken smile.gif.


Hey, he's from around KC, he might bring some BBQ.

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post Oct 15 2016, 11:34 PM
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I'm with ya smile.gif Also, I'd say that "Liberalism" or "Humanitarianism" is just another word for "Enlightenment". Care for ones fellow man and fellow beast, is something that we as a race have struggled with since the dawn of time. It's always disheartening when I hear politicos trying to push people toward the worst version themselves by trying to scare them with the worst version of the "Other". sad.gif

As for CA, there is an old saying. As goes California, so goes the nation. California has been at the leading edge of political and social change for many decades here in the U.S. Of course, I"m guessing not everyone agrees with that smile.gif But it's been said for quite some time and it sure rings true to me.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 14 2016, 06:51 PM) *
Always been fond of CA for being in the forefront of the progressive movement.

Actually the KC area is not bad, in fact I noticed that the Humane Society endorsed our Congressman, rare for a Republican, the single lawmaker endorsed from the State of Kansas. And the same goes on the Missouri side with Emanuel Cleaver, a really good black man. It is a pretty moderate area. However once you get west of Lawrence and the University of Kansas, or east of KC except for St. Louis, you can hear banjos playing.

For the most part, red state politicians vote against animal welfare/protection. I find this a good barometer of moral compass, compassion for animals. In CA, nearly all of them are endorsed.

http://www.hslf.org/assets/pdfs/hslf-2016-endorsements.pdf


Sigh... sad.gif Crsn, crsn, oh crsn. Please try to refrain from saying things like "You need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS". It's accusatory, it's a personal attack, etc. Try instead to depersonalize as much as possible, if possible smile.gif So that we can maintain a semblance of civility?

QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Oct 14 2016, 10:15 PM) *
yup, just us deplorable s west of Kc playing our banjos, you need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS about the acceptance and tolerance your party thinks you have

P. freakin s.

ttttttttttttttrrrrigggggggggggered


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post Oct 16 2016, 02:25 AM
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Here is an interesting video you may have missed, and I think a poignant one, as well as one suitable for the comedy channel. An 11 year old girl scout talked about things Trump has said, and responded "After listening to those things and looking in the mirror, I feel bad about myself". That is the sad part. The hilarious part is Pence's replay. Really, they could play this on SNL, just as it is.



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post Oct 16 2016, 04:03 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 15 2016, 05:34 PM) *
Sigh... sad.gif Crsn, crsn, oh crsn. Please try to refrain from saying things like "You need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS". It's accusatory, it's a personal attack, etc. Try instead to depersonalize as much as possible, if possible smile.gif So that we can maintain a semblance of civility?


Thanks Todd. But I thought about this. I don't want to be the cause of Kris cracking down. It did not bother me. I am not saying HIllary is perfect. Although she is one the most experienced person to ever run for the White House. But I know without question that Trump is so awful, so horrible, that nothing anyone could say would phase me.

I know he is not going to be a Chester A. Arthur. Arthur had a shifty background, if you have forgotten, he took over when Garfield was shot. But he turned out to be a good president. I know that Trump will not make this metamorphosis, he is a narcissistic psychopath, he is not capable of pursuing decency. I just can't get over the shock that he actually could be president. I was opposed to Romney, also McCain, but I never felt this way about them, I never felt that the country was in danger with them. I think we will be if Trump is elected. In 1932 people discounted the dangers of Adolf as well, the politicians thought he would moderate, that they could control him. If Trump is elected he will try to run the Presidency as a dictatorship, to the degree he can, the same way he is running this campaign. He will try to mobilize his herd to frighten intimidate opposition, just as Adolf did. And unfortunately I think he supporters actually think that would be a good thing. It is all like a bad dream.

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post Oct 16 2016, 07:19 AM
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Just trying to keep the peace smile.gif If we could all avoid the word "you" in general, when talking about politics, that alone would tend to soften the exchange a bit. After all, we are talking about political parties and political people, not about each other, hopefully smile.gif

As a student of history, I can't help but see the same historical parallels you mentioned. The branding of the "other" as dangerous, as the reason for all of our problems. The need for the "Strong Man" to come in and take charge. Etc. Very reminiscent of a certain Italian leader of the same time period. It does reflect a large section of the populace that simply fed up and want simple answers to complex questions, and believe in impossible promises of bringing back "the good old days". Sadly, those days are gone. Globalization is just part of the new normal IMHO. Still, there is that huge chunk of the electorate that just can't stomach that idea. If there is a financial crisis ( a new, worsening, rapid crisis, like the crash of 2008 for example) or a big attack on the country with buildings getting destroyed and lots of folks getting killed, I fear it will ensure Trumps victory in the same way the burning of the Reichstag led to another political shift all those years ago.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 15 2016, 11:03 PM) *
Thanks Todd. But I thought about this. I don't want to be the cause of Kris cracking down. It did not bother me. I am not saying HIllary is perfect. Although she is one the most experienced person to ever run for the White House. But I know without question that Trump is so awful, so horrible, that nothing anyone could say would phase me.

I know he is not going to be a Chester A. Arthur. Arthur had a shifty background, if you have forgotten, he took over when Garfield was shot. But he turned out to be a good president. I know that Trump will not make this metamorphosis, he is a narcissistic psychopath, he is not capable of pursuing decency. I just can't get over the shock that he actually could be president. I was opposed to Romney, also McCain, but I never felt this way about them, I never felt that the country was in danger with them. I think we will be if Trump is elected. In 1932 people discounted the dangers of Adolf as well, the politicians thought he would moderate, that they could control him. If Trump is elected he will try to run the Presidency as a dictatorship, to the degree he can, the same way he is running this campaign. He will try to mobilize his herd to frighten intimidate opposition, just as Adolf did. And unfortunately I think he supporters actually think that would be a good thing. It is all like a bad dream.


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post Oct 16 2016, 05:15 PM
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Like I said, Hillary by 6%.
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post Oct 16 2016, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 15 2016, 02:34 PM) *
Sigh... sad.gif Crsn, crsn, oh crsn. Please try to refrain from saying things like "You need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS". It's accusatory, it's a personal attack, etc. Try instead to depersonalize as much as possible, if possible smile.gif So that we can maintain a semblance of civility?

That is his opinion and he is entitled to have it and express it as well, does he not? I happen to agree with him. We have sat in here and watched as you two have slammed Trump supporters and before that, Tea Party supporters as racist, uneducated and every kind of phobic there is while completely ignoring and dismissing any and virtually all of the accusations there have been against anyone with a (D) before their name no matter how much evidence there is to support those accusations and then you pat each other on the back for doing so.
When you attack and disparage Trump supporters and Conservatives in this way you disparage Cursin, myself, and millions of Americans as well and are following the lead of mainstream media and the Obama admin that has created the divide this country is now seeing.
All of this does nothing to advance any kind of honest debate. So maybe you shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it.
Have you guys ever considered that maybe you are not as intelligent and grown up as you believe? I certainly have because you're really not talking about the issues at all, you're just slamming folks that don't see things the way you do.
So how about you end the passive aggressive BS if you don't want to be insulted return?

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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Oct 15 2016, 04:15 AM) *
yup, just us deplorable s west of Kc playing our banjos, you need to wake up and smell your hypocritical BS about the acceptance and tolerance your party thinks you have

P. freakin s.

ttttttttttttttrrrrigggggggggggered


Hey Cursin, this is not the first time you do this and you have received warnings in the past. I will now suspend your posting ability for three days. I want to remind you that debates are only ok if you can refrain from personal attacks.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Oct 16 2016, 07:04 PM) *
All of this does nothing to advance any kind of honest debate. So maybe you shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it.
Have you guys ever considered that maybe you are not as intelligent and grown up as you believe? I certainly have because you're really not talking about the issues at all, you're just slamming folks that don't see things the way you do.
So how about you end the passive aggressive BS if you don't want to be insulted return?


AK - you are on the borderline here. Is this a threat, implying you are about to start insulting people? And are you saying that your fellow GMC:ers are unintelligent? I do not see how this post could contribute to the positive atmosphere on our forum.

I have not warned you in the past and will consider this a one time event.


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Well said!!! All of the time from this thread could have been much better spent in practice or song writing imho. It represents a sad loss of opportunity.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 16 2016, 12:15 PM) *
Like I said, Hillary by 6%.
Relax.
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Slamming a candidate or supporters is one thing. Directing a personal attack at a fellow member of our community is QUITE another thing. These two are NOT equal.

Please feel free to express any thoughts, on anything, or any candidate/followers of candidate. Just try to refrain from making it personal. That's all smile.gif Avoid, "You need too..." statements in general I'd say, in order to maintain our civility that is the best part of our community. That's all I was saying smile.gif

Of course everyone has the right to their personal op. Also the right to express it. However, per the conditions of our fine community here, we do NOT have the right to attack folks directly, based on their views. It's pretty simple. Let's all just speak our minds without getting personal. Should be easy enough smile.gif If you see a post that you don't like, don't take it personally. It's hopefully not got your name on it, and not voiced in "you need to.." terms. So one can reply in a calm and measured fashion, hopefully, no matter what the topic, or post. smile.gif

I do feel that there is a HUGE amount of racism, sexism, etc. In the current Republican candidate. I have every right to hold that view. I"m not accusing you, of anything. I'd hope you are not accusing me as well smile.gif This is what I'm trying so hard to communicate. I can despise a candidate, and have doubts about his/her supporters without leveling accusations at anyone here. Perhaps it's taking things personally that is the problem. I don't take any slams/crazy vids/blog posts against Hilary, personally. I'm not her. Also, I'm not focused on accusations against candidates so much as things that the candidates have said, on tape, that we can verify. These things are not accusations, just facts. Both candidates have said disturbing things to be sure. The tape of one candidate urging sexual assault was just too much to take. I found myself posting on that issue. But not attacking anyone while doing so.

Again, I"m NOT DISPARAGING ANYONE PERSONALLY. I keep saying this to no effect. I have seen many posts slagging Hillary supporters (I don't consider myself one) but if I did, I would NOT take it personally. That's the real point. Let's be able to talk about things, and groups of people, without taking it personally. If we can't then we should leave certain topics alone IMHO. As they create a negative vibe sad.gif

So I'm not "dishing it out" at all. I'm not attacking folks personally. I'm certainly ok with "taking it" as I've done so for some time now smile.gif All without lashing out in personal attacks. I can say what I think about Trump and his support without attacking you or crsn personally, just the same as you can say what you think of "crooked Hillary" and her supporters without attacking me or anyone else personally. just expressing your views is fine of course, putting "you..." in it makes it personal attack. sad.gif Let's just avoid those, ok?

Then I read this in your post.
"Have you guys ever considered that maybe you are not as intelligent and grown up as you believe? I certainly have because you're really not talking about the issues at all, you're just slamming folks that don't see things the way you do.So how about you end the passive aggressive BS if you don't want to be insulted return?"

To answer, YES smile.gif I've considered that I'm not very smart, and not very grown up smile.gif There are certainly smarter, more grown up people than me. I'm just a guitar teacher with a fondness of News/History/Politics. That's all smile.gif Nothing more. That bit of your post however, was more of me "taking it". As it's directed at "You guys", not at a candidate or supporters of said candidate.

Instead, you could have said.

"It's possible that the supporters of Hillary Clinton are not as intelligent or grown up as they believe themselves to be."

This puts the statement in the abstract and prevents it from being a personal attack. smile.gif

I'm not engaging in "PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE BS" as you put it. Just expressing my views as you are welcome to express yours. That's all smile.gif

Let's all just try to keep it civil no matter what views are expressed? and keep the word "you" out of it entirely if possible. smile.gif



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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Oct 16 2016, 01:04 PM) *
That is his opinion and he is entitled to have it and express it as well, does he not? I happen to agree with him. We have sat in here and watched as you two have slammed Trump supporters and before that, Tea Party supporters as racist, uneducated and every kind of phobic there is while completely ignoring and dismissing any and virtually all of the accusations there have been against anyone with a (D) before their name no matter how much evidence there is to support those accusations and then you pat each other on the back for doing so.
When you attack and disparage Trump supporters and Conservatives in this way you disparage Cursin, myself, and millions of Americans as well and are following the lead of mainstream media and the Obama admin that has created the divide this country is now seeing.
All of this does nothing to advance any kind of honest debate. So maybe you shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it.
Have you guys ever considered that maybe you are not as intelligent and grown up as you believe? I certainly have because you're really not talking about the issues at all, you're just slamming folks that don't see things the way you do.
So how about you end the passive aggressive BS if you don't want to be insulted return?


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post Oct 17 2016, 02:15 AM
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Hi everyone,

I believe the right questioning is why they [ US Govmt + Mainstream Media + FBI + NSA, etc ] are so worry about Trump's winning this election? The answer is much more complex than this, but to sum things up, basically Trump is a possibility to expose all this 'group' and its darkest plans, and just a slight possibility of it is enough for this desperate behaviour.

Trump wins > Civil War
Hillary wins > US x Russia starting with this fake accusations of Russia hacking US and maybe WW3

Russia is training their population:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/717446...dimir-putin-ww3

While US is creating the 'atmosphere':
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office...-weather-events

To understand 'space weather events' search for EMP bomb.

It's a complex subject, but goes way beyond Crooked Hillary vs Rock Star Trump.

My question: why do you think Hillary (the group) wants open borders?


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QUOTE (KenA @ Oct 16 2016, 06:15 PM) *
My question: why do you think Hillary (the group) wants open borders?


The recent Wiki-leaks 'open borders' remark was in reference to free trade during a speech on free trade in Brasil in 2013 and the context is only pertaining to the western hemisphere. If you're interested, here's HRCs actual immigration proposals ... http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/twisting-...migration-plan/

*And explain to me again, what do sun spots and solar flares have to do with this year's US presidential election - ?

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Hey, not worried about the Russians having the upper hand in preparation for WW3, we are far ahead in that game, ever since 1951 we have had our act together here.





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QUOTE (KenA @ Oct 17 2016, 01:15 AM) *
I believe the right questioning is why they [ US Govmt + Mainstream Media + FBI + NSA, etc ] are so worry about Trump's winning this election?

The US government congressional branch is controlled by the Republican party, which is working actively get to their candidate, Donald Trump, elected president. The head of the FBI is a member of the Republican party. The largest cable news media network in the US is actively promoting Trump for president. However, I think it's safe to say "etc" is worried about a Trump presidency.


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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 17 2016, 12:38 AM) *
The US government congressional branch is controlled by the Republican party, which is working actively get to their candidate, Donald Trump, elected president. The head of the FBI is a member of the Republican party. The largest cable news media network in the US is actively promoting Trump for president. However, I think it's safe to say "etc" is worried about a Trump presidency.


Well the real world is different than Internet world. I expect we will gather evidence of corruption, financial holdings of government officials and their families, and either release that, or threaten to if they don't stop the hacking. It may not exactly be Putin orchestrating all this, but is the one who needs to get the dogs on a chain. They did not go after our infrastructure, they went after private servers, we will do the same. Or perhaps we already have. But we may never hear about it, or not for years, and that would be a good thing.

Regarding people being apposed to Trump, most in Congress and the Senate find him contemptible, and unfit to be president. But the screwy nominating process put him there, and he is what they have. They think he is awful, but they don't want Clinton nominating the 3 or 4 Supreme court vacancies likely to occur. The average judge hangs around for 30 years now. I think that is the big thing, why they still try to stick with him to an extent, even though they find him as reprehensible as I do.

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