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post Dec 14 2016, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Dec 14 2016, 06:24 AM) *
Assuming you are not one of the 1/1000, I don't think it is your door we are primarily looking to knock on.

Do you pay for your own health insurance, as I have always paid? If you have an employer paying for it, you are are recipient of the largest tax subsidy on the books, it amounts to more money than even the mortgage interest deduction. People with decently paid jobs are the ones who get the IRS tax exemption because they get part of their pay in health insurance benefits. Walmart and Go Chicken Go employees miss out on that federal tax subsidy.

Take higher education. At a University you primarily you have kids going to school who had parents with reasonably high incomes, much fewer that came from hardship backgrounds. So who benefits mostly by the tax money spent to support state Universities? The middle and upper economic classes for the most part.

I can look around my middle class neighborhood, all the improvements constantly made, the upkeep on the neighborhood. How much money gets spent there on civic improvements for the people living in the poor sections of the city?

The more money you have, the more financial benefits you get in the form of government subsidies, people just don't realize it, and they complain about what they think that others on the lower economic ladder are getting from the government, when in fact they are themselves getting much more in subsidies than those people they complain about.

Another example, a small significant one, voting access. How long did I wait in line to vote in my neighborhood, in a county with high average incomes that significantly favored Trump? I was in and out in 10 minutes. The average wait time for Black voters (according to PEW) to vote is twice that of average white voters. Republican state legislatures have engineered a number of blocks to make it difficult for Blacks to vote, Blacks who on average earn only 60% of what Whites earn in incomes.

And one final example, a big one, Donald Trump being the poster boy for this one. Here is a man who has used the welfare system to the max, declaring bankruptcy many times, and always coming out the wealthier for it. If you want to talk about welfare abuse, you don't find a better example of anyone who has exploited the government for everything he could get, building a financial empire on $850 million in tax breaks. The really big welfare recipients are not poor Blacks in the inner city, they are people like Donald J. Trump.

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I'll answer this later , got to go to work , none of this however justified taking away my or anyone else's liberty, and I am the employer that pays for health care
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post Dec 14 2016, 03:36 PM
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We already have a STATE RUN education system in this Country rich smile.gif . It's called PUBLIC K-12 and EVERY publicly funded University in the United States. These are state run educational systems. So we already have that. We have had it for quite some time. smile.gif But who knows, maybe it's all a BIG Communist plot! ohmy.gif Could be? Right? cool.gif Tin foil hats help according to some folks, and our govt is commie and or run by lizards according to others so I get lost sometimes. I'm ok with COMMIE LIZARD PINKOS running it though mad.gif

Given the new gal in charge of the dept of education, I'd say we are gonna be heading toward your view of things very soon. Vouchers for Homeschool/Christian programs, the defunding of everything else. Yup smile.gif Utopia here we come!!


QUOTE (AK Rich @ Dec 13 2016, 12:10 PM) *
Haven't you though? Is state run education not a primary and favorite tool of Communist Dictators? Think it through and be careful what you wish for.
Which is more like China or N Korea? A country with private education, or a country where the Gov controls education?

Don't get me wrong though. I understand your concern. I just think there must be a better solution to the problem, one that doesn't have the capacity to go horribly wrong.


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post Dec 15 2016, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 14 2016, 06:36 AM) *
We already have a STATE RUN education system in this Country rich smile.gif . It's called PUBLIC K-12 and EVERY publicly funded University in the United States. These are state run educational systems. So we already have that. We have had it for quite some time. smile.gif But who knows, maybe it's all a BIG Communist plot! ohmy.gif Could be? Right? cool.gif Tin foil hats help according to some folks, and our govt is commie and or run by lizards according to others so I get lost sometimes. I'm ok with COMMIE LIZARD PINKOS running it though mad.gif

Given the new gal in charge of the dept of education, I'd say we are gonna be heading toward your view of things very soon. Vouchers for Homeschool/Christian programs, the defunding of everything else. Yup smile.gif Utopia here we come!!


Exactly! That's the problem. Public education does a better job at grooming students to be leftist drones that are led to believe that the world owes them something or everything in some cases than it does at actually educating young people. Sorry but I don't think it is a good idea for Gov to run indoctrination in the guise of education and decide what should be taught and what shouldn't be. It is a legitimate argument, so you know what you can do with all your tin foil hat comment BS and try to discuss things like an adult.
I am sorry that you cannot see, or casually dismiss the potential problems with Gov. in control of knowledge and information.

Ken mentioned that Cuba and China have what he calls a free market. But how free are those markets really in those countries or any country in the Western World including our own country when you look at the level of taxation, regulation and the picking of winners and losers by Gov in those markets? Are they really Free Markets or just an illusion?

The answer to better educating our kids is not more Gov. Every time we let the Gov take more and more control and continue to expand we lose more and more of our liberties.

This simple truth cannot be denied. The bigger the Gov, the smaller the citizen.

Of course , pure Communism is all but dead, but to continue to move in this direction is to continue to move in the direction of tyranny and some form of totalitarian Gov. and some would say that we are already under a form of soft tyranny where folks are bullied or shamed into falling in line. And if we are to see a totalitarian Gov in this country you can be sure that it will be the left that takes us there.

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post Dec 15 2016, 05:21 PM
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When 'public' education was at it's peak (post WWII to the early 80s), and many private colleges being relatively affordable in relation to normal/average full-time salaries in this country, the USA was the most technologically advanced, undeniably the strongest (most feared if you wish) and the most forward thinking and facing nation that has ever graced the planet.

However you want to quantify it ... moon launches, Stealth bombers, lap top computers, CGI, night vision goggles, AI, VR, GMOs (pro or con, whatever), Vaccines, NASA, the space station(s), digital modeling, the internet - christ, the list is endless. All the folks that worked on this stuff generally went to public schools. Both high school and college.

By the way, 'private' institutions can be far more liberal than their public counterparts - both secondary school and college.
Also, the more liberal or progressive or at least perceived as liberal/progressive institutions (public and private) are where a majority of high paying companies, firms, hospitals, high-tech research (silicon valley) and hitech manufacturing companies, etc. recruit for hiring. They like, want and require a more well rounded and even skeptical/freer/more open mind.
College is where you're supposed to be exposed to shit that makes you uncomfortable. It prepares you for actual 'life'. *I'm as comfortable with extreme/alt student groups on campus as I am with the LGBT and Muslim student groups.

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post Dec 15 2016, 10:55 PM
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Easy there smile.gif Just adding a little humor in to what is quickly become a very not fun thread. Some folks do indeed think the govt is controlled by lizards as I recently discovered. Some folks think the earth is in fact flat. Folks think all kinds of things. "leftist Indoctrination" aside, everyone has their right to their own views on everything. Which is sorta the point smile.gif If folks want more or less of this or that, we can always vote in folks promising more or less. Then vote in their replacements in the next round. So the wheel turns.

The "Rightist Indoctrination" process is alive and well to complement the "leftist indoctrination" in the states despite our communist sympathizing public education system. The rightist indoctrination is more commerce based though, via ad based/subscription/donation based sites like INFO WARS and such. Which is fine as well. Takes all kinds to fill up the bus and pay their taxes, etc. Even takes full blown nut jobs, which we have plenty of as well. They have every right to be nut jobs, as long as they pay taxes imho smile.gif

Anhoo! Hopefully back to music.


QUOTE (AK Rich @ Dehicc 15 2016, 11:35 AM) *
Exactly! That's the problem. Public education does a better job at grooming students to be leftist drones that are led to believe that the world owes them something or everything in some cases than it d.an Gov in this country you can be sure that it will be the left that takes us there.


Here's to hoping our colleges and universities can keep trying to support thinking/skeptical/questioning minds. Or as a few folks would call them, "Lefties", some how progressive thought has been branded by "The Right" as a bad thing. I fear the new gal in charge of our entire education system is going to spend several years taking it apart. I hope what's left is functional. But we shall see smile.gif I hope what's left of the EPA (a climate denier appointed to run it, who is currently in a lawsuit against the EPA Environmental Protection Agency) and the govt/country in general is still functional as well. But again, have to wait and see. Looks bad before it starts, but hoping for the best as we have no other choice but to hope for the best at this point smile.gif

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When 'public' education was at it's peak (post WWII to the early 80s), and many private colleges being relatively affordable in relation to normal/average full-time salaries in this country, the USA was th.....omfortable with extreme/alt student groups on campus as I am with the LGBT and Muslim student groups.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 15 2016, 10:55 PM) *
Easy there smile.gif Just adding a little humor in to what is quickly become a very not fun thread.ho smile.gif

did you really think this thread was going to turn into something different ?

as with all these threads . our question is always name one thing that the government doesnt screw up once it gets its hands on it. This has yet to be answered . How did we ever get so good before the government ( at a federal level ) took over . We are just sayin , lets go back to that
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Dec 15 2016, 03:35 PM) *
Public education does a better job at grooming students to be leftist drones that are led to believe that the world owes them something


FWIW, I think more americans would embrace the self-reliance message of the right if it wasn't so often accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric about commies under your bed and in your schools.

The fact is public higher education is one of things the federal government has done right in this country and, for all its shortcomings, is the envy of much of the world. That's why so many nations send their young people to our publicly funded colleges and universities to be educated.

All Todd is saying is: it would nice if more of the benefits of that excellent educational system stayed here in this country.


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post Dec 16 2016, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Dec 15 2016, 07:36 PM) *
FWIW, I think more americans would embrace the self-reliance message of the right if it wasn't so often accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric about commies under your bed and in your schools.

The fact is public higher education is one of things the federal government has done right in this country and, for all its shortcomings, is the envy of much of the world. That's why so many nations send their young people to our publicly funded colleges and universities to be educated.

All Todd is saying is: it would nice if more of the benefits of that excellent educational system stayed here in this country.


I have an older brother. He went to college after high school, but actually failed, had a mental breakdown in fact. But he got past that, and became a laborer, working in a meat packing house. He got married, had a couple kids, but when he was in his late 20's went back to school, finished his undergrad with straight A's. He clearly impressed someone at Harvard Law School, because they accepted him and he did graduate from Harvard Law, and had as you might expect had decent a career. He would describe his political slant as somewhat left of Bernie Sanders.

My little Brother was always a good student, he went to Georgetown. Ended up as general manager for a newspaper in the South. He gets a lot of insulting responses from readers for his liberal views expressed in editorials.

Myself, I worked in labor for 5 years going to night school at a local college, then I first got a Masters in Economics, then worked in a bank getting an MBA at night at the University of Missouri as Kansas City, eventually was assistant to the CFO of the bank. I changed careers, went back to school, got a Masters in Computer Science, and worked with a group of Chinese people in software development, under subcontract to NASA. My political views would be about square on Bernie Sanders. Although I would say most of my education comes from reading books, not formal education.

I have one more brother, actually he was the most intelligent of us, but he had health issues so he had a modest career. But he did get a Masters Degree in History. He has always been anti-Democratic Party for the Abortion issue, being a dyed in the wool Catholic. But even he would not vote for Trump, he wrote in somebody else. All 6 of his children have degrees from either Ivy League Schools, or equivalents.

Or even my college roommate. He started off right, from a small town in Kansas, his father working class, he had all the potential to see things as clearly as Trump supporters do. But he went to college, had an internship with NASA, ended up designing the latest and greatest in fighter jets. He got his Masters in Engineering, but he always took courses to broaden himself, and was a serious reader. He is even a member of Mensa. And he is even more liberal than I am!

My question is, why are we all so stupid, what has make us such mindless liberals, where did we go wrong? I know of only one person related to me that voted for Trump, she has a Masters degree but the Catholics convinced her she would go to hell if she didn't. What is wrong with all of us, is he right, has all the education, the hundreds of books we have read since then, turned our brains into silly putty? I guess so. Maybe if I have a frontal lobotomy, and follow that up with a few hundred hours of listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity (neither a college graduate b.t.w.), I might recover. Think so?

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USA was the "most technological advanced" country in the 80'ties, because half of the globe had even more socialism, "free education", "free vacation", "free everything" and that made half of the globe the garbage it still is. USA was better not because of having some socialism, but because it had less socialism than their opponents.

It is quite simple process:

1. you install socialism in one part of a territory and something else in the other part of the territory
2. socialism totally wrecks the economy of its territory so:
- skilled people escape from it and are cheap to exploit by the other territory
- you can buy resources cheap from the socialist territory and sell them your technology for a good price to them
3. your territory has a huge external income and you use it to build an illusion for your citizens that they will always be so rich, can take debts/spend so much money on luxury goods/travel/etc.
4. they lose their wealth, their savings and houses and become slaves to the banks in few generations.

Capitalists lose, socialists lose, banks win.



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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Dec 16 2016, 03:50 AM) *
USA was the "most technological advanced" country in the 80'ties, because half of the globe had even more socialism, "free education", "free vacation", "free everything" and that made half of the globe the garbage it still is. USA was better not because of having some socialism, but because it had less socialism than their opponents.

It is quite simple process:

1. you install socialism in one part of a territory and something else in the other part of the territory
2. socialism totally wrecks the economy of its territory so:
- skilled people escape from it and are cheap to exploit by the other territory
- you can buy resources cheap from the socialist territory and sell them your technology for a good price to them
3. your territory has a huge external income and you use it to build an illusion for your citizens that they will always be so rich, can take debts/spend so much money on luxury goods/travel/etc.
4. they lose their wealth, their savings and houses and become slaves to the banks in few generations.

Capitalists lose, socialists lose, banks win.


Socialist, Capitalist, those are just words, and over simplifications. You analysis is interesting, obviously you are well educated, I have read what you wrote carefully, it is not easy to understand, and it makes a lot of sense, and certainly is a model to consider.

However I think you are leaving something out, something that was implicit with the experience of Eastern Europe. You had the USSR that for all practical purposes called the shots, and the culture it had, which in many ways still had commonality with the time of the Tsar.Just because mismanagement and corruption impeded past efforts does not mean the goals are not still obtainable.

The problem is that there is such a disparity of wealth and income in society, and it is getting worse. It is not that we should not have opportunities for people to have higher standards of living than the average person, that is all fine and good. But what we have goes way beyond that, the disparities in wealth and income are to drastic.

How to solve this, a big big problem with no easy or clear solution. But it is a time bomb that is going to go off, it is just a matter of time before enough people in the world get desperate enough that the fuse is lit. Things have got to change, one way or another, and I am absolutely certain that Donald J. Trump is not an answer, he is an anti-answer.

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Dec 16 2016, 01:36 AM) *
FWIW, I think more americans would embrace the self-reliance message of the right if it wasn't so often accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric about commies under your bed and in your schools.

The fact is public higher education is one of things the federal government has done right in this country and, for all its shortcomings, is the envy of much of the world. That's why so many nations send their young people to our publicly funded colleges and universities to be educated.

All Todd is saying is: it would nice if more of the benefits of that excellent educational system stayed here in this country.

then should we not just return to what we were doing

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Dec 15 2016, 04:36 PM) *
FWIW, I think more americans would embrace the self-reliance message of the right if it wasn't so often accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric about commies under your bed and in your schools.

The fact is public higher education is one of things the federal government has done right in this country and, for all its shortcomings, is the envy of much of the world. That's why so many nations send their young people to our publicly funded colleges and universities to be educated.

All Todd is saying is: it would nice if more of the benefits of that excellent educational system stayed here in this country.


Folks with a Marxist ideology don't hide under the bed anymore. Now they are members of Congress. and run for President, and even win. wink.gif

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Oh I get it smile.gif Between yourself and rich and spock I think the Govt has folks passionate about keeping it as small as possible. But if your question is "NAME SOMETHING THE GOVT HAS MAD BETTER", I'd say that's an easy one.

PUBLIC HEALTH

In countries all over the world WITHOUT a strong Federal Govt. You have very low standards of public health. We have several FEDERAL agencies in place, just to keep our standard of public health, quite high. One of these highest among developed nations.

So if that's the question, there's your answer smile.gif Sadly, the new administration seems bent on "making govt smaller" just as you describe and is thus placing folks at the heads of various agencies who despise those agencies and want to dismantle them. We are going to get a front row seat to see just what impacts a "smaller govt" is going to have. So here goes with the big experiment smile.gif


QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 15 2016, 07:56 PM) *
did you really think this thread was going to turn into something different ?

as with all these threads . our question is always name one thing that the government doesnt screw up once it gets its hands on it. This has yet to be answered . How did we ever get so good before the government ( at a federal level ) took over . We are just sayin , lets go back to that


It would be nice wouldn't' it smile.gif Sadly, folks often come here to get an education, and then either leave to go back to their home country because they are forced to (immigration laws) or because they find better chances elsewhere.

I'd also like to see the benefits of our higher education system made available to anyone who wants an education, regardless of their ability to pay for it. If they are a good student, with good grades, an education should be available to them imho. The student loan program certainly helps, as do progams like HOPE in ga which uses lottery funds. I'd support using more lottery funds to lighten the loan burden and legalizing and taxing various vices in order to provide a new revenue base to help more folks get an education, even if they couldn't otherwise afford it.

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Dec 15 2016, 08:36 PM) *
FWIW, I think more americans would embrace the self-reliance message of the right if it wasn't so often accompanied by over-the-top rhetoric about commies under your bed and in your schools.

The fact is public higher education is one of things the federal government has done right in this country and, for all its shortcomings, is the envy of much of the world. That's why so many nations send their young people to our publicly funded colleges and universities to be educated.

All Todd is saying is: it would nice if more of the benefits of that excellent educational system stayed here in this country.


YUP!! Go sign up over at INFOWARS.com and then listen to RUSH LIMAUGH every single day. Then sign up at Brietbarf and Drudge Report, and watch lots of FAUX, sorry, FOX news, and then BAM you'll get re-edumacated in Trumpism and get right!!!!! Smaller Govt!! Trickle Down Economics!!! Banned Abortion!! The entire ticket will make sense smile.gif

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Dec 16 2016, 04:26 AM) *
..sh Limbaugh and Sean Hannity (neither a college graduate b.t.w.), I might recover. Think so?


They didn't win much this time around to be sure. Not the Presidency by far, not congress, not the senate, not the local elections. Pretty much nothing. So what are you talking about? We have a Majority REPUBLICAN house and senate and POTUS. Where are all the commnists winning congressional seats and presidencies? Eh? Double eh?


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Folks with a Marxist ideology don't hide under the bed anymore. Now they are members of Congress. and run for President, and even win. wink.gif

http://www.cpusa.org/


WELL SAID! smile.gif This is the time bomb that is going to end up in violence IMHO. It's bad now, it's going to get much, much, much worse over the next four years as rich folks are gonna do really well and the rest of use are pretty much gonna get the shaft. So it's gonna reach a head within a few years and then BOOM very bad things are gonna happen IMHO.

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Socialist, Capitalist, those are just words, and over simplifications. You analysis is interesting, obviously you are well educated, I have read what you wrote carefully, it is not easy to understand, a..
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Here is an info graphic that is certain to get a healthy response I"m sure. It points out the RIGHTISTS propaganda and LEFTIST propaganda and shows REUTERS and a couple of other sources in the middle. Notice that CNN has a note (Better than not reading news at all) So if you are getting your info from the bits on the right or left of the graph, you are getting lost in the ECHO CHAMBER imho. Your mileage may vary smile.gif Doesn't really change it though. If you subscribe to info wars on the right or natural news on the left, you are stuck in the info vacuum.

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Where are all the communists winning congressional seats and presidencies? Eh? Double eh?


In Cali! wink.gif


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 16 2016, 08:32 PM) *
Oh I get it smile.gif Between yourself and rich and spock I think the Govt has folks passionate about keeping it as small as possible. But if your question is "NAME SOMETHING THE GOVT HAS MAD BETTER", I'd say that's an easy one.

PUBLIC HEALTH

In countries all over the world WITHOUT a strong Federal Govt. You have very low standards of public health. We have several FEDERAL agencies in place, just to keep our standard of public health, quite high. One of these highest among developed nations.

So if that's the question, there's your answer smile.gif Sadly, the new administration seems bent on "making govt smaller" just as you describe and is thus placing folks at the heads of various agencies who despise those agencies and want to dismantle them. We are going to get a front row seat to see just what impacts a "smaller govt" is going to have. So here goes with the big experiment smile.gif

private hospitals , based on evil profit, are responsible for our health .The gov. can only try to have standards , its up to private citizens to do the real work to make it work
Look at the VA , thats what government does

and before when we were arguing about Obamacare , you clearly stated how behind we were for a first world nation , now all of a sudden its wonderful health care system.

and here we do go with this experiment . I am willing to let you say" i told you you so " if it doesn't work , are you man enough to admit if it works
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 16 2016, 11:32 AM) *
They didn't win much this time around to be sure. Not the Presidency by far, not congress, not the senate, not the local elections. Pretty much nothing. So what are you talking about? We have a Majority REPUBLICAN house and senate and POTUS. Where are all the commnists winning congressional seats and presidencies? Eh? Double eh?


Thank God. We still have a short wait until we can watch the current Marxist in Chief walk out of the WH. Hopefully the door will hit him in the ass on the way out.

Yep, Dems only control Governorships and Legislatures in 4 out of 50 states now. That should send a clear message that Marxist inspired politics is not what the country wants. The left didn't just lose, they were decimated. They tried as hard as they could during the last 8 years to destroy the Republican party and cast Conservatives as Racist and every other kind of boogeyman they could think of and it was all a total backfire.
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post Dec 17 2016, 08:50 PM
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I said PUBLIC HEALTH I said nothing about obmamacare. Separate subject but related. You asked what's better, public health is the answer. The EPA, Food and Drug Administration, etc. FEDERAL AGENCIES all focused on the goal of public health. So yeah, there ya go. smile.gif Question answered. Here is a ink with more info on what Public Health is and what the term covers.

http://apha.org/publications-and-periodicals/published-books


QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 16 2016, 05:58 PM) *
private hospitals , based on evil profit, are responsible for our health .The gov. can only try to have standards , its up to private citizens to do the real work to make it work
Look at the VA , thats what government does

and before when we were arguing about Obamacare , you clearly stated how behind we were for a first world nation , now all of a sudden its wonderful health care system.

and here we do go with this experiment . I am willing to let you say" i told you you so " if it doesn't work , are you man enough to admit if it works


Now that Putins pet dog (Trump) is in charge, we are closer to communist and authoritarian control than ever. The lack of balance in the current govt. (e.g. no democrats to be found in any significan number) removes the checks and balances that keep the govt from being authoritarian. For some one so fond of liberty, you just gave it up to trusting in the federal govt. The right wing govt to be exact. So it's not up to you anymore, at all. You've voted away your freedom. The inmates are in charge of the asylum so the future looks pretty darn awful. Hoping for the best, but prepping for the worst.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Dec 17 2016, 11:55 AM) *
Thank God. We still have a short wait until we can watch the current Marxist in Chief walk out of the WH. Hopefully the door will hit him in the ass on the way out.

Yep, Dems only control Governorships and Legislatures in 4 out of 50 states now. That should send a clear message that Marxist inspired politics is not what the country wants. The left didn't just lose, they were decimated. They tried as hard as they could during the last 8 years to destroy the Republican party and cast Conservatives as Racist and every other kind of boogeyman they could think of and it was all a total backfire.


ANYHOO!!!! Enough about our country being run by an autocrat, it's almost time for the SHRED FEST CHALLENGE!!!! The new one will be up on Sunday so you still have time today and Sunday to submit a take if you can!!! smile.gif here is the link.



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post Dec 18 2016, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 17 2016, 11:50 AM) *
Now that Putins pet dog (Trump) is in charge, we are closer to communist and authoritarian control than ever. The lack of balance in the current govt. (e.g. no democrats to be found in any significan number) removes the checks and balances that keep the govt from being authoritarian. For some one so fond of liberty, you just gave it up to trusting in the federal govt. The right wing govt to be exact. So it's not up to you anymore, at all. You've voted away your freedom. The inmates are in charge of the asylum so the future looks pretty darn awful. Hoping for the best, but prepping for the worst.


You must be joking? Exactly what liberties have I lost and exactly how have I lost them? And how exactly, have I voted away my freedom? Please be specific.

An autocrat? Seriously? Good grief.

You can thank Democrats for the results of this election and primarily, you can thank Obama. They shot themselves in the foot because baby steps to the left weren't enough for them. They just had to try that giant leap.

If Trump is Putins lapdog. Then was Obama the lapdog of all the foreign donors that contributed to his campaign?
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post Dec 19 2016, 04:30 AM
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hide and watch smile.gif Trump is gonna make his rich buddies richer. I just saw a speech where Trump backed off his bit promise of "lock her up" on Hillary. Now he says, "we won the election, who cares". It was all just campaign trail fodder that desperate folks lapped up. It's due to the lack of checks and balances, due to the overweight of republican power, that we face authoritarian control. There is just nothing to stop it. So here it comes. If you though it was bad before, get ready. It's gonna get way, way worse. Just give it time.

Anyhoo I've said my bit smile.gif also, don't forget to check that last info graph. If you or anyone is getting their news from the bits on the far right or left (the "Garbage" news. Then you are just being manipulated). Reuters and the Associated Press are about as close as you are going to get to actual Journalism these days. Outside of that, it's mostly echo chamber. If you listen to druge/brietbarf/faux news, or MSNBC/mother jones on the other side, you are stuck in the echo chamber. Don't get stuck folks.

I'll let rich/crsn have the last word smile.gif Enjoy it!

BTW: There is a new SUNDAY SHRED CHALLENGE!! E BLUES Pink Floyd TIME: Have fun with it!
!!! SUNDAY SHRED FEST X-33!!!!
TIME : By Pink Floyd

*I"m not playing in this vid. Instead, Instead, feel feel to use it to practice your lead! You can add it to a playlist on youtube if you like to keep track of it.
Direct Link to this Challenge : http://bit.ly/sundayshredfestx33

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Dec 18 2016, 12:00 PM) *
You must be joking? Exactly what liberties have I lost and exactly how have I lost them? And how exactly, have I voted away my freedom? Please be specific.

An autocrat? Seriously? Good grief.

You can thank Democrats for the results of this election and primarily, you can thank Obama. They shot themselves in the foot because baby steps to the left weren't enough for them. They just had to try that giant leap.

If Trump is Putins lapdog. Then was Obama the lapdog of all the foreign donors that contributed to his campaign?


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 19 2016, 04:30 AM) *
hide and watch smile.gif Trump is gonna make his rich buddies richer. I just saw a speech where Trump backed off his bit promise of "lock her up" on Hillary. Now he says, "we won the election, who cares". It was all just campaign trail fodder that desperate folks lapped up. It's due to the lack of checks and balances, due to the overweight of republican power, that we face authoritarian control. There is just nothing to stop it. So here it comes. If you though it was bad before, get ready. It's gonna get way, way worse. Just give it time.


Todd

are you telling me that a business man is going to( as president )make policy that will help businesses make more money, Thanks for clearing that up.

while we are on it could it be that college registration is down due to lack of jobs and /or college degrees that are useless. Out of the last 24 years a democrat has been president for 16 of those. and since the mid 90's college professors lean democrat 14 to 1 also a great video why it is important to have these discussions without silencing opinions contrary to your own



You said watch and see , are you open minded enough to acknowledge anything that works m?
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