70 Percent Of Americans Don't Have A College Degree :( |
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70 Percent Of Americans Don't Have A College Degree :( |
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Dec 9 2016, 09:09 PM |
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/st...e-rick-santoru/
I really hope that in 2017, we can get our numbers up a bit. Especially in education. My fondest wish is that everyone can go to school and get an education and not be burdened by crippling debt afterward. In Europe, many countries have FREE College I think American students should have that option as well. If they want to go to college, they should be able to. Even if they can't afford it IMHO. But I'm sure there are at least three folks here that would vote NO on that idea for various reasons. However, even before hearing the reasons for NO. I'd say the reasons for YES far outweigh them in the long run. Having an Educated Populace is the KEY to a working Democracy IMHO. When only a third of the country has a college education, we have 3/4 of the country without one. Having an uneducated populace, in the "Information Age" is nothing short of institutionalized failure for our way of life and idea idea of Democracy IMHO. Still, whatever the reasons folks want to use, I still think students should have the option of getting a free college education from a decent state school. Not Harvard or such, just a decent state college that wouldn't put them in huge debt when they get out. We have over a trillion in student loan debt outstanding. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-...isis-2016-01-15 As a result, we have a "skills gap" (e.g. jobs that don't have bodies to fill them as they lack the skills since they have no education/training in said skills) of several million jobs. We have folks with Masters degrees working at starbucks and folks without college educations falling in to the "Working Poor" category. In a "Post Industial" age and economy, having an education isn't a luxury, it's a survival technique. Todd |
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Dec 10 2016, 09:53 PM |
really ??
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Dec 10 2016, 10:15 PM |
Our colleges like our hospitals are non profit which makes it easier not to create huge student debts.
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Dec 11 2016, 06:09 PM |
And on to MUSIC! I'd like to challenge everyone in this thread to take a stab at the SUNDAY CHALLENGE before the day ends. Midnight is the deadline so you've got 12 hours!! I"d like to get back to music. Sorry for posting about education. My bad. The only education I"m really interested in is Music Education, like we do here at GMC To wit!!
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Dec 11 2016, 08:09 PM |
Now I get Todd. This was a masterful ploy to get us all to enter the Sunday Shred Challenge.
Bravo. Bravo. |
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Dec 12 2016, 04:07 AM |
1) I don't believe that one needs to go to college/university to be successful.
2) I don't believe everyone should (regardless of the price) go to college. There are SO MANY folks floundering in college because they 'think' it's the only way to get ahead and are brainwashed into thinking that they must go to college when they'd be better off in technical school or apprenticing. We need hvac installers and repair people, auto mechanics, chefs, janitors, garbage men, locksmiths, city workers, etc. Having said that, even state school is getting too expensive for many people and families. One of the great things that college or university does, is expose you to different stuff, different ideas and different folks. It also teaches you to think (at least a little bit) critically. Personally, I believe that cutting funding for public education and 'encouraging' private (and really fucking expensive) education is our government's and the ruling elite's long term plan to keep us stupid and effectively - sheep. Reagan started us down this road. I wonder if it was a grand plan? As for best govt, best system, best whatever (in the US regardless of which administration) ... I don't know. There's a lot good about this place. I love the States! I ain't goin' anywhere. But there are plenty of countries in the world that are, for all intents and purposes, free market democracies. Some of them are even a bit more 'democratic' in regard to some personal freedoms than ours. They're all a little different. The people are just as happy (or just as sad), just as free and have just as high a standard of living as us. Many of them have a longer life expectancy and overall healthier populous. Why do you think that is? Travel. You'll find out. I mean that in a positive way. It's one of the best things you can do with your money. Go see some shit! This post has been edited by klasaine: Dec 12 2016, 10:33 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Dec 13 2016, 05:38 PM |
Most of the western (and a lot of the free eastern) world has 'state' funded and/or very affordable high level education and has for decades. Very little of the western world is communist. *North Korea, the DPRK is the only 'actual' communist country left in the world. China has a huge free market and Cuba has a small free market.
The scientists and dreamers in this country that WON the space race and then invented not only super computers but the modern personal computer (and by extension dawned 'the computer age') had affordable or free higher education. Many of them went to state school. Many of them had only one parent in the household that worked but who were still able to afford a higher education for their kids. Or, like me, college only cost between $300 and $1000 a semester - books and parking included. And I went to a very good 'state' school (CSUN). I paid for some of it by working a part time job (teaching guitar lessons and gigging) and my parents also paid for some of it. My brother - same thing. One of the reasons we import many workers from abroad is that most of the time they are more qualified than their American counterparts. And I'm not just talking about 'cheap' labor or lower paid than their US counterparts positions. I'm talking about high paid work in the medical, technical, engineering, architectural, computer science, high-end manufacturing, research and even specialized teaching positions that Americans are becoming less and less qualified to do. Here in So. Cal. there are a ton of research positions as well as high tech and high tech design positions going to Italians, French, Spanish, English, Aussie's and Asians because their American counterparts aren't qualified enough - because they can't fucking afford school. These positions filled by foreigners are NOT lower paid because 1) they have to sponsor visas, 2) the cost of living is very high here and 3) they generally pay moving/re-settlement costs. It would be WAY easier to hire a local. There's so much less bullshit involved. But if the locals can't cut the gig then you gotta look elsewhere ... and there's no shortage of 'elsewhere'. In the interest of 'full disclosure', my wife, a green carded but still Italian citizen, took a full-time position away from an American (several americans) ... because she is way more qualified for the position - language professor at a local city college. She received two separate master's degrees from two different 'public' universities in Italy. It probably cost her the equivalent of $500 a year for 6 years. Totally affordable. America wants to compete and not 'lose' jobs to foreigners. Well, America has to compete at the same level. Give more folks a fighting chance at a higher, quality education. Come on, make America great again. Make 'em fucking smart again. This post has been edited by klasaine: Dec 13 2016, 06:33 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Dec 13 2016, 06:44 PM |
The Greatest Generation accomplished some awesome things after WWII in the US. We look back with envy at those accomplishments. Well, that generation had a huge number of people whose college education was funded by the government via the G.I. bill. Please refresh my memory, but I don't recall that leading to a revolution of the proletariat. What it *did* lead to was a period of technological leadership and unparalleled prosperity.
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Dec 13 2016, 06:58 PM |
I don't recall that leading to a revolution of the proletariat. What it *did* lead to was a period of technological leadership and unparalleled prosperity. Yes, and lets all refresh our memories as to what types of governments arose when the down trodden, unable or not allowed to go to college (or technical school) and working poor did 'revolt' - Bolshevik (Russia) in 1917 and the Chinese revolution led by Mao in 1949. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Dec 14 2016, 04:33 AM
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/st...e-rick-santoru/ I really hope that in 2017, we can get our numbers up a bit. Especially in education. My fondest wish is that everyone can go to school and get an education and not be burdened by crippling debt afterward. In Europe, many countries have FREE College I think American students should have that option as well. If they want to go to college, they should be able to. Even if they can't afford it IMHO. But I'm sure there are at least three folks here that would vote NO on that idea for various reasons. However, even before hearing the reasons for NO. I'd say the reasons for YES far outweigh them in the long run. Having an Educated Populace is the KEY to a working Democracy IMHO. When only a third of the country has a college education, we have 3/4 of the country without one. Having an uneducated populace, in the "Information Age" is nothing short of institutionalized failure for our way of life and idea idea of Democracy IMHO. Still, whatever the reasons folks want to use, I still think students should have the option of getting a free college education from a decent state school. Not Harvard or such, just a decent state college that wouldn't put them in huge debt when they get out. We have over a trillion in student loan debt outstanding. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-...isis-2016-01-15 As a result, we have a "skills gap" (e.g. jobs that don't have bodies to fill them as they lack the skills since they have no education/training in said skills) of several million jobs. We have folks with Masters degrees working at starbucks and folks without college educations falling in to the "Working Poor" category. In a "Post Industial" age and economy, having an education isn't a luxury, it's a survival technique. Todd I just don't understand your libertarian-ism here.How can you be for liberty, yet , by force of a gun ,take away my liberty by coming into my house and taking my money and giving it to someone else, whom you deem deserving , who didn't earn it . |
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