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post Dec 11 2016, 03:54 PM
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My quick GT-1 review;

Hardware/software; Was better than expected, feels great and durable + easy to navigate (didn't need to dig deep in the manual when adjusting from the unit). The software is also great, when working as a soundcard just fire the tone studio and open any website/mp3 etc. player and start jamming right away (no DAW needed).

FX button effects; Didn't notice any digital distortion or harshness with any effects, still sounds processor-like as expected but very workable (much better when connected to an amp).

Pedal fx; Impressed, wahwah's sound very good.

OD/DS; Most are very good, specially boss based pedals. Stuff like tubescreamer, RAT aren't really there and needs a bit too much work to adjust compared if you're familiar with the analog pedals.

Preamps; Worst side of the unit, I didn't use analyze software but pretty sure they breakup the same only eq and gain range responce is different from model to model. Aside 1-2 of them (like the recto), they don't sound any bigger than the pedals as should've been like in analog world. I mostly prefered a clean-to-slight breakup setting from the amp and used driven pedals when needed. The cab.s were as expected since not ir's...overall I'll just say they work but don't expect more (probably with a soft clipping saturation effect on the main output menu could make them sound much better, wish boss would have added something like that...)

Delay/Reverb; Delays are ok, no complaints (or praises) and the terra covers a lot of ground when needed (on the reverb section there is a second delay option if double delay is needed). The reverbs though has to be dialed in pretty extreme if someone wants the effect to be obvious to the listener.

Main output; When "small amp" option is selected, it sounded pretty good with a small blackstar idcore amp.

There is also output eq'ing for every patch, after a lot of play time with the unit my opinion is its best to keep the output option "line" for both computer and bigger amps and try to get the balance from the fx. If you start with decreased mid.s/increased bass etc. (like you would with a Mesa Mark V for example) most of the time the result gets harsh/bassy while adjusting.

Again though not analyzed, it feels like there's always a C type filter going on with the unit. In other words, its as if an engineer eq'd your dry sound for a mix. Don't try battling it when adjusting (specially listening the unit solo), this actually helps when played in a band or over backing tracks. Great idea for beginners but I wish they left a bit more room for the experienced users...

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Great review! I agree all the way on the tones. I've never been that impressed with COSM AMP modelling, even on the flagship unit, especially compared to units like the 11 Rack in particular. I put them side to side in Guitar Center and it wasn't even close. The cosm amps all sounded very similar in terms of gain structure, and all sounded a bit fake imho sad.gif Please forgive me, those of you who love your GTXXX etc. smile.gif

I would have liked to see a video included as part of the review of course, but that's just me smile.gif I like videos. Maybe you, playing the unit, showing us the software, giving some tone examples so we can hear what you are talking about instead of just reading it and such. It would help me certainly smile.gif



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QUOTE (Mertay @ Dec 11 2016, 10:54 AM) *
My quick GT-1 review;

Hardware/software; Was better than expected, feels great and durable + easy to navigate (didn't need to dig deep in the manual when adjusting from the unit). The software is also great, when working as a soundcard just fire the tone studio and open any website/mp3 etc. player and start jamming right away (no DAW needed).

FX button effects; Didn't notice any digital distortion or harshness with any effects, still sounds processor-like as expected but very workable (much better when connected to an amp).

Pedal fx; Impressed, wahwah's sound very good.

OD/DS; Most are very good, specially boss based pedals. Stuff like tubescreamer, RAT aren't really there and needs a bit too much work to adjust compared if you're familiar with the analog pedals.

Preamps; Worst side of the unit, I didn't use analyze software but pretty sure they breakup the same only eq and gain range responce is different from model to model. Aside 1-2 of them (like the recto), they don't sound any bigger than the pedals as should've been like in analog world. I mostly prefered a clean-to-slight breakup setting from the amp and used driven pedals when needed. The cab.s were as expected since not ir's...overall I'll just say they work but don't expect more (probably with a soft clipping saturation effect on the main output menu could make them sound much better, wish boss would have added something like that...)

Delay/Reverb; Delays are ok, no complaints (or praises) and the terra covers a lot of ground when needed (on the reverb section there is a second delay option if double delay is needed). The reverbs though has to be dialed in pretty extreme if someone wants the effect to be obvious to the listener.

Main output; When "small amp" option is selected, it sounded pretty good with a small blackstar idcore amp.

There is also output eq'ing for every patch, after a lot of play time with the unit my opinion is its best to keep the output option "line" for both computer and bigger amps and try to get the balance from the fx. If you start with decreased mid.s/increased bass etc. (like you would with a Mesa Mark V for example) most of the time the result gets harsh/bassy while adjusting.

Again though not analyzed, it feels like there's always a C type filter going on with the unit. In other words, its as if an engineer eq'd your dry sound for a mix. Don't try battling it when adjusting (specially listening the unit solo), this actually helps when played in a band or over backing tracks. Great idea for beginners but I wish they left a bit more room for the experienced users...


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Hey Todd,

First thanks for the responce and the adding video comment smile.gif yeah it was just a quickie incase any GMC members are/would consider it. A friend of mine bought it and it was mostly me playing similar riff's, tweaking parameters for a few hours. Maybe a video would have been informative but certainly boring biggrin.gif

To be honest I left the unit with mixed feelings. Aside the amps, one really gets a lot for 200 dolars (discounts can be found in USA) including ease of use...I'm sure we would have loved it if it was released back in the 90's biggrin.gif

To generalize further, I felt the amps are like the freeware plug-ins we suggest here (not the best ones from bigger companys but the cpu friendly type). Great for non musicians but not for guys like us. I did read giging musicians usually combine/mix 2 COSM amps within the bigger boss models but I'm not sure if its true or could make a big difference.

As much as I disliked the solo sound feeling filtered and lacking natural harmonics, it fits quicker/more acceptable inside a denser sounding backing track. Aside for beginners, might even work better than most processors with a terrible sounding PA system...

Seems designed for guys who doesn't like tweaking, I could suggest it as a first ever processor (or small travel type unit) but its definitly not an upgrade from something more expensive in the current market.

I also want to demo the Zoom G5N badly when it arrives here smile.gif I have higher hopes for its amps but that unit has its own downsides as far as I've read on forums.

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Yeah, it's a starter unit for sure smile.gif But it's quite cheap on sale so it's good way to get started in home recording for not much money, but honestly for the SAME MONEY You can get a USED 11 RACK!!!! Which is a DIGI 02 (Hardware Pro Tools Interface with XLR/Phantom Power/7 inputs/etc.)and a killer guitar processor that sounds amazing. E.G. The amps sound like real amps, and the pedals sound like real pedals. So in light of that, I can't see why anyone would get this over a used 11R. I just don't see it. But that's just me smile.gif I"m sure there are folks that LOVE These things! To each his own!!

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Hey Todd,

First thanks for the responce and the adding video comment smile.gif yeah it was just a quickie incase any GMC members are/would consider it. A friend of mine bought it and it was mostly me playing similar riff's, tweaking parameters for a few hours. Maybe a video would have been informative but certainly boring biggrin.gif

To be honest I left the unit with mixed feelings. Aside the amps, one really gets a lot for 200 dolars (discounts can be found in USA) including ease of use...I'm sure we would have loved it if it was released back in the 90's biggrin.gif

To generalize further, I felt the amps are like the freeware plug-ins we suggest here (not the best ones from bigger companys but the cpu friendly type). Great for non musicians but not for guys like us. I did read giging musicians usually combine/mix 2 COSM amps within the bigger boss models but I'm not sure if its true or could make a big difference.

As much as I disliked the solo sound feeling filtered and lacking natural harmonics, it fits quicker/more acceptable inside a denser sounding backing track. Aside for beginners, might even work better than most processors with a terrible sounding PA system...

Seems designed for guys who doesn't like tweaking, I could suggest it as a first ever processor (or small travel type unit) but its definitly not an upgrade from something more expensive in the current market.

I also want to demo the Zoom G5N badly when it arrives here smile.gif I have higher hopes for its amps but that unit has its own downsides as far as I've read on forums.


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Is the review of the Boss GT001 or the GT1?? Todd's video is for the GT001 but Mertay's review says GT1. HERE is the GT1

I've got a GT001 and a GT100 and they are nice simple units to get to grips with. My ears aren't that good at the moment and I don't hear much gear to compare.

I'd like to hear what you're talking about though Todd. Any chance of a direct comparison with same guitar etc?

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 11 2016, 09:24 PM) *
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Hey Phil66,

Yeah we're talking GT-1;

The new GT-1 uses the same sound engine as the bigger models, basically it has the same sound quality but carrys lesser options for sound tweaking or routing.


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I thought so. Todd's video is for the GT001 though.


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my bad! Fixed that smile.gif GT1 vid and a GT1 vs GT100 shootout vid smile.gif


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 11 2016, 06:12 PM) *
I thought so. Todd's video is for the GT001 though.



Here is the GT1 and GT100.

I don't own any of these units. I once owned one of the variants with knobs (ME25) but sold it as I just didn't like COSM modelling sad.gif
Here is my playthrough of the old one I had with COSM



QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 11 2016, 05:24 PM) *
Is the review of the Boss GT001 or the GT1?? Todd's video is for the GT001 but Mertay's review says GT1. HERE is the GT1

I've got a GT001 and a GT100 and they are nice simple units to get to grips with. My ears aren't that good at the moment and I don't hear much gear to compare.

I'd like to hear what you're talking about though Todd. Any chance of a direct comparison with same guitar etc?

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On various forums few has started to sell their units mainly cause of the amp sounds, most are still enjoying though specially ones who gig and want to carry something small.

I checked and realized the bigger models have more parameters for the amps, might explain the tones I liked on youtube or from Phil66 at times.

Aside this, I talked to my friend a few minutes ago asking hows he liking his new gt-1 after a few days. Basically liked the idea of starting to jam right away (again, no DAW needed) and the software control on the unit is really fast when tweaking is needed. For petrucci stuff he just cracked the recto amp and said it was close enough to enjoy. He usually brings work to home so out of his limited time to relieve stress this really worked for him. I said whatever device makes you play more is the best device there is wink.gif

Funny, he has gear worth almost a small house but enjoying a 200 dolar processor right now laugh.gif


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Though I'd add this one to the wiki cool.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/inde...oss_Gt-1_Review


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QUOTE (Fran @ Dec 18 2016, 04:43 PM) *


Thanks Fran smile.gif

By the way, when googled "ts9 vs ts9dx" guitarmasterclass shows as the 4th result! ohmy.gif So not only our friends here but reviews seem to be able to reach all the guitar community though here which is pretty cool smile.gif


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True smile.gif But for about $300 or less you can get a used 11 Rack which has some really great amp sounds a decent amount of fx. Not a ton of fx, but enough to gig and record. It's become the standard by which I judge any processor below $500. So far, I have found nothing that even comes close at that price point in terms of accurate guitar amps. Do I wish it had more cabs? sure. Do I wish it supported imported cabs? Sure. Still for the price, given all the variables, it's still just the best bang for the buck IMHO. I'm even looking out for a second one just in case my primary unit dies. It's not just a great processor that requires no daw, it's also a great recording interfaces with 7 inputs up to 192khz.

Not to say everyone should sell all their gear and get what I have. But anyone thinking about spending a few hundred bucks on gear that isn't a guitar, could do far worse. Recording interface and processor in one that sounds just pro as heck. smile.gif I"ve tried a TON of gear and I kept the 11.

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On various forums few has started to sell their units mainly cause of the amp sounds, most are still enjoying though specially ones who gig and want to carry something small.

I checked and realized the bigger models have more parameters for the amps, might explain the tones I liked on youtube or from Phil66 at times.

Aside this, I talked to my friend a few minutes ago asking hows he liking his new gt-1 after a few days. Basically liked the idea of starting to jam right away (again, no DAW needed) and the software control on the unit is really fast when tweaking is needed. For petrucci stuff he just cracked the recto amp and said it was close enough to enjoy. He usually brings work to home so out of his limited time to relieve stress this really worked for him. I said whatever device makes you play more is the best device there is wink.gif

Funny, he has gear worth almost a small house but enjoying a 200 dolar processor right now laugh.gif



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QUOTE (Mertay @ Dec 19 2016, 08:52 PM) *
By the way, when googled "ts9 vs ts9dx" guitarmasterclass shows as the 4th result! ohmy.gif So not only our friends here but reviews seem to be able to reach all the guitar community though here which is pretty cool smile.gif


That's great to hear smile.gif There's SO MUCH knowledge on these boards.


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Well said!! I often notice the same thing, I'll google something and it comes up in the GMC forums!

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Update;

Visited my friend again and asked about the gt-1, he said he didn't use it for a while. The unit in solo sound (with no backing track) and powerchords didn't cut it for him. So I offered to borrow the unit a few days to see what I can do.

First off, I figured how to get rid of the typical (filtered) boss sound; go to "mast", adjust mid freq. to 10khz-mid. Q to 2-mid gain to 20. You can also decrease highgain by -2 or -3 if you like. Don't forget to adjust "out" to line/phones.

Basically we're adding more breathing space for the sounds when using its cab. sims. (don't do this if you're using it with an amp), I shared this in one of the major forums and got positive responces. I'm pretty happy using my analog pedals with the gt-1 for shredding thanks to this setting. Keep in mind you'll probably have to adjust your amp/pedal presets a bit (lowering presence, treble...but not too much)

I'm still working on good powerchord sounds. The distortions are engineered to be driven with very little low-end and can be problematic with a bright sounding guitars. After messing with pre-eq'ing distortion sounds, I noticed the tone modify tool works better than the eq. Its only been 2 days since I got the unit so I haven't pushed it to its limits yet.

Further review;

-As a soundcard its great, the latency is as low as any budget soundcard and listening music is a joy.
-Its really fast to work with. To be honest there isn't much character difference among distortion sounds and modulation fx aren't very deep...but these limitations make the unit very fast to work with and the result sound simply works.
-Works fine with analog pedals, infact I recommend using your pedals with the gt-1.

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GREAT call on the PRE EQ!! IMHO it's critical to gain some control over your tone contour BEFORE it hits the distortion in order to get the sound you want. This is partly why so many folks use a tube screamer in front of a tube amp, it's partially acting as a "HIGH PASS FILTER" and trimming out some of the low boomy sound so that the distortion doesn't turn in to pure mud. Low frequencies (e.g. bass/deep/low sounds) tend to "bunch up" under high gain and start to mud things up quite a bit. Being able to EQ the signal "Pre" distortion is a great feature and I didn't even know this unit could do it.

For the price this is a great little unit indeed. Fully functional recording interface, wah/volume and pedal board built in, software control so you can make patches on your laptop using drag and drop instead of squinting at the on board display. For a one piece unit, and for the price it's a great way to get started in multi fx imho. It's not overly complicated and won't bury you with options. So it's a great "gateway" bit of kit especially for those who are really unfamiliar with multi pedals. Thanks for the update!!

Here is a vid about using the software that comes with it for building patches and downloading them from "The Cloud" which is also handy smile.gif



Also, here is a very frustrated German player who is struggling to find tone in his hands but keeps thinking it's in his Pedals. smile.gif



QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 27 2017, 05:01 PM) *
Update;

Visited my friend again and asked about the gt-1, he said he didn't use it for a while. The unit in solo sound (with no backing track) and powerchords didn't cut it for him. So I offered to borrow the unit a few days to see what I can do.

First off, I figured how to get rid of the typical (filtered) boss sound; go to "mast", adjust mid freq. to 10khz-mid. Q to 2-mid gain to 20. You can also decrease highgain by -2 or -3 if you like. Don't forget to adjust "out" to line/phones.

Basically we're adding more breathing space for the sounds when using its cab. sims. (don't do this if you're using it with an amp), I shared this in one of the major forums and got positive responces. I'm pretty happy using my analog pedals with the gt-1 for shredding thanks to this setting. Keep in mind you'll probably have to adjust your amp/pedal presets a bit (lowering presence, treble...but not too much)

I'm still working on good powerchord sounds. The distortions are engineered to be driven with very little low-end and can be problematic with a bright sounding guitars. After messing with pre-eq'ing distortion sounds, I noticed the tone modify tool works better than the eq. Its only been 2 days since I got the unit so I haven't pushed it to its limits yet.

Further review;

-As a soundcard its great, the latency is as low as any budget soundcard and listening music is a joy.
-Its really fast to work with. To be honest there isn't much character difference among distortion sounds and modulation fx aren't very deep...but these limitations make the unit very fast to work with and the result sound simply works.
-Works fine with analog pedals, infact I recommend using your pedals with the gt-1.


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Yeah the tone modify tool is pretty much an eq type pre-boost. Its cool cause you get to mimic all the freq. responces of pedals without having to try each pedal, a fast problem solver for this unit. There's also" resonance control" on some settings, probably for djent style peaks but I didn't get to try that yet.

The output setting I recommended was sort of like removing a high-cut placed after a cab. . I basically re-shaped the (un-removable) high-cut by using a regular bell curve eq, someone using line 6 unit also liked this trick.

I pretty much solved the problems my friend described me now but will be keeping the gt-1 for a few more days till I see him again.

If any GMC'er has a question about the gt-1 now is a good time to ask and I'll be happy to respond.

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I just suggested the GT1 to another GMCer looking for fx for a church gig smile.gif It's an all in one unit with cab sims so it can run direct to a mixer/pa and for a couple hundred bucks, it tough to beat on price to be sure. Even if one uses it just for delay/chorus/reverb/etc., it's still cheaper than buying pedals and is basically several BOSS pedals just stuffed in one box with a bonus wah thrown in smile.gif IF you bought four or five pedals and a wah or volume pedal, it would cost more then you'd have to power the pedals with batteries or a power supply (more money) then you have to mount it all to something like a pedal board ( yet more money). So just to get the same functionality could easily cost twice as much and be a big pain in the back side live since you are back to doing the 'pedal ballet" every time you want to switch patches. Instead you could just hit one foot switch and have all the pedals lined up and in whatever order/settings required.

That said, I still do own a pedal board smile.gif Though I used to own two. I did sell one, and the one that's left has gotten smaller since I added the hotone xstomp to it. Now my mojo micro amp sits on the pedal board itself along with the xstomp and a hotone harmonizer/octaver, hotone gate, hotone wah and that's it smile.gif Basically an entire hotone board complete with 5 watt amp smile.gif I even have an old cell phone mounted to the board to control the XSTOMP and load new patches via blutooth.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 28 2017, 06:59 AM) *
Yeah the tone modify tool is pretty much an eq type pre-boost. Its cool cause you get to mimic all the freq. responces of pedals without having to try each pedal, a fast problem solver for this unit. There's also" resonance control" on some settings, probably for djent style peaks but I didn't get to try that yet.

The output setting I recommended was sort of like removing a high-cut placed after a cab. . I basically re-shaped the (un-removable) high-cut by using a regular bell curve eq, someone using line 6 unit also liked this trick.

I pretty much solved the problems my friend described me now but will be keeping the gt-1 for a few more days till I see him again.

If any GMC'er has a question about the gt-1 now is a good time to ask and I'll be happy to respond.



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post Oct 5 2017, 01:19 PM
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So After my friend gave me a good deal, I bought the gt-1 smile.gif

I have it for a while now but spent most of my time testing configurations rather than making loads of presets and I think I have reversed engineered "the boss sound".

There is a long topic on another forum but I'll give the summery as I find it educative too. So after a guitar is recorded (raw sound), we cut the highest and lowest freq.s with an eq so it won't blend too much with other instruments in a mix...Usually this taming is subtle enough so the tone feel of the guitar don't change.

But say you did that and still it needs further cutting, then the mid.s of the tone starts to pop out giving a telephony feel to the tone so we have to lower those mid.s quite a bit. Now that sound maybe be good inside a mix, but when solo'd it feels like its being played by a tiny speaker.

And thats how Boss delivers their processors, users agree they're very easy to blend into a mix or when using live but alone at home it feels like someone forgot to turn off the wah pedal smile.gif I have found 2-3 ways to deal with this, reversing the extreme filtering. When totally reversed I didn't like the result, a dryer sound but too obvious the processor is an affordable unit.

Anyway, I'm almost done tweaking a flat preset which suits my existing pedals and needs minimal tweaking when I want to jam from one random backing track to another (it will be used most). After that I'll probably make 2-3 more presets like a jc-120 or plexi based amp tones. I still prefer my pedal for high-gain distortion but the od's are very usable.

I'll share some sound when I feel confident enough, would be nice to take positive critisizm as ears gets tired quicker when dealing with too much eq'ing smile.gif

PS; my boosting the 10khz advice still applys but later I figured the filtering is at the master section not cab.s.


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