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Kristofer Dahl
post Feb 16 2017, 09:11 PM
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...here is another one we could discuss! ph34r.gif

And of course, this also gives me the honor of presenting my new track. cool.gif cool.gif

Theme-wise, it combines a lot of things I have gone through as a guitarist and human being. It’s my first serious song/video attempt since ~2012.

It’s called “Yeminemi” - meaning Oath in Turkish.



I hope the video will get some views as I think it contains an important message for our planet - and the earthlings on it.


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post Feb 16 2017, 09:27 PM
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Powerful riffing Kris, I like it smile.gif


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post Feb 16 2017, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 16 2017, 09:27 PM) *
Powerful riffing Kris, I like it smile.gif


Thanks Phil, I'm really glad you like it. This is the first thing I have done in a long time which I am actually proud of.


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post Feb 16 2017, 11:20 PM
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Hells yes biggrin.gif very cool track indeed, sir.
fantastic tonage as well!


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post Feb 17 2017, 02:00 AM
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Using war as a metaphor for animal cruelty is a very clever stroke indeed. The video starts off being a traditional, Metal type vid, then it reveals itself to have much deeper meanings than just images and sounds of aggression.

I think the entire thing works on multiple levels and is a very effective "Pro-Vegan" argument. I've not seen very many pro vegan arguments that have swayed me. This one had me questioning whether I should eat steak again. When you consider that animals feel pain, and even experience loneliness and isolation (especially pigs which are as smart as dogs in general) it starts making meat less attractive. This from a life long carnivore. smile.gif

I think you might approach PETA or a similar organization to share the vid with a wider audience. Have you considered that?

Congrats on a great bit of work!

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 16 2017, 04:11 PM) *
...here is another one we could discuss! ph34r.gif

And of course, this also gives me the honor of presenting my new track. cool.gif cool.gif

Theme-wise, it combines a lot of things I have gone through as a guitarist and human being. It’s my first serious song/video attempt since ~2012.

It’s called “Yeminemi” - meaning Oath in Turkish.



I hope the video will get some views as I think it contains an important message for our planet - and the earthlings on it.


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post Feb 17 2017, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Feb 16 2017, 11:20 PM) *
Hells yes biggrin.gif very cool track indeed, sir.
fantastic tonage as well!


Thanks so much mate. wub.gif

Here is what i used if you want to check it out:
Rhythm: "Sinmix Krank57PR20" from RE
Lead: "Mars JMP 2 1" from M Britt's Rack Pack

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 17 2017, 02:00 AM) *
Using war as a metaphor for animal cruelty is a very clever stroke indeed. The video starts off being a traditional, Metal type vid, then it reveals itself to have much deeper meanings than just images and sounds of aggression.

I think the entire thing works on multiple levels and is a very effective "Pro-Vegan" argument. I've not seen very many pro vegan arguments that have swayed me. This one had me questioning whether I should eat steak again. When you consider that animals feel pain, and even experience loneliness and isolation (especially pigs which are as smart as dogs in general) it starts making meat less attractive. This from a life long carnivore. smile.gif

I think you might approach PETA or a similar organization to share the vid with a wider audience. Have you considered that?

Congrats on a great bit of work!

Todd


Thanks a million for the fantastic words Todd!

And yes I couldn't agree more. From a moral perspective there is no way to defend the cruelty of modern factory farming. And nowadays there is no way to defend it from any other perspective, since all serious research show animal products are the major cause of our chronic diseases and global warming.

Thanks for the suggestion about PETA, I might actually try to contact them.


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post Feb 17 2017, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2017, 07:54 AM) *
Here is what i used if you want to check it out:
Rhythm: "Sinmix Krank57PR20" from RE
Lead: "Mars JMP 2 1" from M Britt's Rack Pack


thanks Kris. Im totally getting that rack pack biggrin.gif
Never heard of sinMix before, just had a look now ohmy.gif his stuff sounds fantastic, def getting a few of his cool.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 17 2017, 01:00 AM) *
Using war as a metaphor for animal cruelty is a very clever stroke indeed. The video starts off being a traditional, Metal type vid, then it reveals itself to have much deeper meanings than just images and sounds of aggression...


+1

On the production side, this is a very good example for GMC'ers to approach "efficiency".

By that what I mean is although Kris used repetitive/similar musical material throughout the song, they still evolved for the listener and never stays static. This isn't only about the video but when/what he added musically between them. Its also a great example for using structure too.

Either one agrees or disagrees his message, still must admit the delivery is very strong and he did what he intended to do quite successful smile.gif



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post Feb 17 2017, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Feb 17 2017, 09:32 AM) *
thanks Kris. Im totally getting that rack pack biggrin.gif
Never heard of sinMix before, just had a look now ohmy.gif his stuff sounds fantastic, def getting a few of his cool.gif


Sinmix is my def my favorite for heavy rhythm guitar. I am not sure he has much competition at this point. Do check them out, many of my recordings use his free profiles. (I also have two of his paid packs)

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 17 2017, 10:00 AM) *
+1

On the production side, this is a very good example for GMC'ers to approach "efficiency".

By that what I mean is although Kris used repetitive/similar musical material throughout the song, they still evolved for the listener and never stays static. This isn't only about the video but when/what he added musically between them. Its also a great example for using structure too.

Either one agrees or disagrees his message, still must admit the delivery is very strong and he did what he intended to do quite successful smile.gif


That's such a cool comment Mertay, thanks!! Please let me know if there is anything you think I should elaborate on (ie production / songwriting etc)

Btw right now it seems they have censored my video on the kemper forum which is a tad amazing - I am waiting for an explanation. So far they have only told me it's because of "crowd of soldiers performing a Hitler salute" ph34r.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2017, 09:36 AM) *
That's such a cool comment Mertay, thanks!! Please let me know if there is anything you think I should elaborate on (ie production / songwriting etc)

Btw right now it seems they have censored my video on the kemper forum which is a tad amazing - I am waiting for an explanation. So far they have only told me it's because of "crowd of soldiers performing a Hitler salute" ph34r.gif


They what!!?? mad.gif

I bet whoever that moderator is only watched the first half of the song and probably thought you're praising the nazi mad.gif happening in a music related forum, with such ignorance is shameful for them. What the hell do they think playing guitar is all about? only good tone? dry.gif

Anyway...I guess its best for GMC'ers to come with the questions but for the members who are working on their own composition/creation process I'd invite them ask about the process steps/timeline. Like from where it started (video or music) and how it developed (entire or specific parts)...

We don't get to see such "one man-whole production" too often inside GMC, I see it as a nice opportunity for those who are interested.

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post Feb 17 2017, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 17 2017, 11:43 AM) *
They what!!?? mad.gif

I bet whoever that moderator is only watched the first half of the song and probably thought you're praising the nazi mad.gif happening in a music related forum, with such ignorance is shameful for them. What the hell do they think playing guitar is all about? only good tone? dry.gif


Yeah this is really crazy. I am even banned now after having asked them to clarify their moderation policies...! ph34r.gif
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php...-policies-here/

First he told me this:
https://www.screencast.com/t/Oj2xHmYBeRqy

Then changed it to this:
https://screencast.com/t/fLh55zCibd

When I login I get to see this:
https://screencast.com/t/aJWrnLdT

I feel like I was executed without any questions...! blink.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2017, 11:39 AM) *
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Wow...

I'd say send an e-mail but write extremely obivous. Like; the discust/irritation was intentionally artistically built (the nazi scenes) so it can be felt for the animal part of the video...as so the video is about protest not praising.

Who knows maybe as a plus you'll teach some level of art to that moderator since he suffers so badly...

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post Feb 17 2017, 02:40 PM
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As I've said at Facebook, this is fantastic. The overall vid and song are awesome. I've just found that this vid has been banned in some forums, and it's really sad to know it. We are living some dark times nowadays (again).


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post Feb 17 2017, 02:50 PM
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I think the moderator maybe a little heavy handed but making sure there is no trouble or offense caused which will reflect badly on the Kemper brand as this is part of their business.

If he can misunderstand your intent it does mean that others might as well.


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post Feb 17 2017, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 17 2017, 02:50 PM) *
I think the moderator maybe a little heavy handed but making sure there is no trouble or offense caused which will reflect badly on the Kemper brand as this is part of their business.

If he can misunderstand your intent it does mean that others might as well.


Ok. But what do you guys think is most important:

*avoiding missunderstandings, or....

*avoiding another holocaust?


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post Feb 17 2017, 03:59 PM
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You have to realize something about Germany and about Kemper. Kermper is, after all, a German company. It's still illegal to perform the hitler salute on the street. It took them 80 years to republish mein kampf for academic use. They have VERY strict laws concerning any imagery that might be considered "nazi" in any way. I had to get schooled in all this by my German friends. I didn't know it was as bad as all that, but it is. It remains a very sensitive topic that is banned by and large.

If you would have mentioned putting it in the kemper forum, I'd have tried to get you to reconsider or re-edit the video cutting out all the WWII German Army stuff. They just don't get anywhere near that stuff if they can help it.

I Hope you can explain it to G String and get back on the forum or you may need to make another entire account. sad.gif

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2017, 07:39 AM) *
Yeah this is really crazy. I am even banned now after having asked them to clarify their moderation policies...! ph34r.gif
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php...-policies-here/

First he told me this:
https://www.screencast.com/t/Oj2xHmYBeRqy

Then changed it to this:
https://screencast.com/t/fLh55zCibd

When I login I get to see this:
https://screencast.com/t/aJWrnLdT

I feel like I was executed without any questions...! blink.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 17 2017, 02:59 PM) *
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Censorship is one of the very few things that ignites me (as its also a problem where I live) but thankfully I've learned to control it to some extent mad.gif

On the other hand editing that video is against so many things, aside what personally involves Kris its against any freedom+human rights that was established after that war. See'ing an internet forum as a soil of a country isn't understandable either.

Well...if they can't deal with such image and music then its not Kris's fault.

@Kris I hope you'll take this experience as a good inspiration for your next project cool.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 17 2017, 03:59 PM) *
You have to realize something about Germany and about Kemper. Kermper is, after all, a German company. It's still illegal to perform the hitler salute on the street. It took them 80 years to republish mein kampf for academic use. They have VERY strict laws concerning any imagery that might be considered "nazi" in any way. I had to get schooled in all this by my German friends. I didn't know it was as bad as all that, but it is. It remains a very sensitive topic that is banned by and large.

If you would have mentioned putting it in the kemper forum, I'd have tried to get you to reconsider or re-edit the video cutting out all the WWII German Army stuff. They just don't get anywhere near that stuff if they can help it.

I Hope you can explain it to G String and get back on the forum or you may need to make another entire account. sad.gif


I can understand the Hitler salute which is sort illegal here in Sweden as well (if combined with other actions). However I must say I am surprised if historic video footage is forbidden - which is what I used.

So far I have only done some quick googling and what I can find is "Germany forbids anything that is seen as glorifying Hitler’s regime". In my video I am displaying some of Hitlers horrific crimes - I don't understand how this possibly could be seen as glorifying unless one were to just watch the first 30 seconds and then stop.

I can live with the ban - I am just a bit sad about my original message getting lost..

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 17 2017, 04:42 PM) *
Censorship is one of the very few things that ignites me (as its also a problem where I live) but thankfully I've learned to control it to some extent mad.gif

On the other hand editing that video is against so many things, aside what personally involves Kris its against any freedom+human rights that was established after that war. See'ing an internet forum as a soil of a country isn't understandable either.

Well...if they can't deal with such image and music then its not Kris's fault.

@Kris I hope you'll take this experience as a good inspiration for your next project cool.gif


Yes this kind of stuff tends to give birth to more creative energy - so it's all good in the long run.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 17 2017, 02:40 PM) *
As I've said at Facebook, this is fantastic. The overall vid and song are awesome. I've just found that this vid has been banned in some forums, and it's really sad to know it. We are living some dark times nowadays (again).


Thanks Gab! wub.gif I am really proud over this one as well

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 17 2017, 11:43 AM) *
Anyway...I guess its best for GMC'ers to come with the questions but for the members who are working on their own composition/creation process I'd invite them ask about the process steps/timeline. Like from where it started (video or music) and how it developed (entire or specific parts)...

We don't get to see such "one man-whole production" too often inside GMC, I see it as a nice opportunity for those who are interested.


Yes I'd be very honored to answer any such questions!

One thing that I have done wrong in the past is to try to fix bad sounds in the mix - this time around I spent some extra time checking that the guitar + bass + drums would work ok with each before laying the song foundation. However in retrospect I would have wanted bass+guitar to be a little tighter sonically. But I'll try to improve that for coming recordings.

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 17 2017, 10:00 AM) *
On the production side, this is a very good example for GMC'ers to approach "efficiency".

By that what I mean is although Kris used repetitive/similar musical material throughout the song, they still evolved for the listener and never stays static. This isn't only about the video but when/what he added musically between them. Its also a great example for using structure too.


Yes good point - the more sections you add, the more "progressive" it sounds. I like song that have a simple, almost pop- kinda structure. The track only has three different riffs.


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Wow. Just listened to it 4 times in a row. The mix is awesome, PoWeRFuLL riffing, and somehow the solos cut through like a knife. Among your best Kris ohmy.gif

On the other hand it's the first time I feel like crap for eating beef unsure.gif

Edit: Just read the whole thread and the ban thing. Some people just don't like to think and on top of that they wear self-righteousness like an armor. It's obvious you didn't mean to offend anyone, yet they see WW2 images and auto-ban. Sad.

Reminds me of this quote:
“Nothing limits intelligence more than ignorance; nothing fosters ignorance more than one's own opinions; nothing strengthens opinions more than refusing to look at reality.”
― Sheri S. Tepper, The Visitor

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I love the way it's heavy, but still grooves. How did you process the vocals? Posting that on a German website took some serious balls smile.gif.



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