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Kristofer Dahl
post Feb 17 2017, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Feb 17 2017, 11:15 PM) *
I love the way it's heavy, but still grooves. How did you process the vocals? Posting that on a German website took some serious balls smile.gif.


Thanks!! yes perhaps have I too much balls laugh.gif laugh.gif

The vocals have a bit of compression and limiting, and lots of low cut due to my mic. The Gregorian sound comes from having four voices doing the same thing with 2 huge reverbs and some delays. This is the time to look at the "cathedral" reverb presets etc. I also use pitch correction when needed.

QUOTE (Fran @ Feb 17 2017, 10:45 PM) *
Wow. Just listened to it 4 times in a row. The mix is awesome, PoWeRFuLL riffing, and somehow the solos cut through like a knife. Among your best Kris ohmy.gif

On the other hand it's the first time I feel like crap for eating beef unsure.gif

Edit: Just read the whole thread and the ban thing. Some people just don't like to think and on top of that they wear self-righteousness like an armor. It's obvious you didn't mean to offend anyone, yet they see WW2 images and auto-ban. Sad.

Reminds me of this quote:
“Nothing limits intelligence more than ignorance; nothing fosters ignorance more than one's own opinions; nothing strengthens opinions more than refusing to look at reality.”
― Sheri S. Tepper, The Visitor


Wow thanks so much Fran, having someone watch my video 4 times in a row is like a dream come true. Amazing! wub.gif

Come to think of - there might actually be carnism behind the ban. Since I have never published animal-rights stuff before I don't have any personal experience from it. But I have heard from others it's quite a phenomenon - and it is not using any logic whatsoever.


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post Feb 17 2017, 11:59 PM
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I did enjoy this , well , time to go make dinner for my family . Friday is Hamburger and Movie night tongue.gif
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post Feb 18 2017, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Feb 17 2017, 11:59 PM) *
I did enjoy this


Thanks for digging smile.gif


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post Feb 18 2017, 12:24 AM
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Good video, cool tune.

I'm surprised at an outright 'ban'. If they didn't think it appropriate I can see them ditching the post or the thread but not banning you.
Cest la vie.
Look at it as a badger of honor. You really pissed some people off. Not that easy to do. Excellent work on all fronts!


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post Feb 18 2017, 01:17 AM
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While I can't say that I agree with the message and comparisons made in the video, I thought the writing, guitar work and the whole production was really good and without a doubt the best I have seen from you, Kris. I especially liked the little harmonic run at the end of the intro. Very cool. cool.gif

Sorry to hear about the censorship, it isn't right. And there seems to be a good bit of that going around these days unfortunately.

All of that aside, I am sure you must know that comparing the murder of 6 million Jewish and other* people to the slaughter of livestock to produce food is going to be considered bad form by many. Choosing this particular comparison to express this view may actually have the opposite effect that you may have desired.

+1 on the balls man, your balls have their own gravity! biggrin.gif

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post Feb 18 2017, 05:29 AM
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I think it's wrong what they did, but I've have still warned you against posting it there. Anywhere but there. They are just too sensitive in that country to anything, images, flags, anything, even remotely related to that part of their past. We have plenty of bits in our country that we are not proud of, but we don't have laws on the books that stop folks from talking about it all. The rebel battle flag only came down from the Georgia State Capital building a few years ago, as an example.

Still, I'm sorry to see them censor your vid and then ban you from the forum. Can you just make a new account?


QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2017, 04:28 PM) *
I can understand the Hitler salute which is sort illegal here in Sweden as well (if combined with other actions). However I must say I am surprised if historic video footage is forbidden - which is what I used.

So far I have only done some quick googling and what I can find is "Germany forbids anything that is seen as glorifying Hitler’s regime". In my video I am displaying some of Hitlers horrific crimes - I don't understand how this possibly could be seen as glorifying unless one were to just watch the first 30 seconds and then stop.

I can live with the ban - I am just a bit sad about my original message getting lost..



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post Feb 18 2017, 04:09 PM
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I need to grab a copy of this for my phone. Its going on my 'stuff I listen to at work that gets me through the day' playlist cool.gif
Ridiculous to ban you from the kemper forum, as Ken mentioned if they didnt like the vid then fine but a ban is crazy. Im glad GMC isnt moderated in that way.


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post Feb 18 2017, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 18 2017, 12:24 AM) *
Good video, cool tune.

I'm surprised at an outright 'ban'. If they didn't think it appropriate I can see them ditching the post or the thread but not banning you.
Cest la vie.
Look at it as a badger of honor. You really pissed some people off. Not that easy to do. Excellent work on all fronts!


hehe - right I must have truly pissed them off. Given how innovative they are on the amp side I guess I just had higher expectations. But in hindsight I realise of course there is no such correlation.

Thanks a million for the kind words!

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 18 2017, 01:17 AM) *
While I can't say that I agree with the message and comparisons made in the video, I thought the writing, guitar work and the whole production was really good and without a doubt the best I have seen from you, Kris. I especially liked the little harmonic run at the end of the intro. Very cool. cool.gif

Sorry to hear about the censorship, it isn't right. And there seems to be a good bit of that going around these days unfortunately.

All of that aside, I am sure you must know that comparing the murder of 6 million Jewish and other* people to the slaughter of livestock to produce food is going to be considered bad form by many. Choosing this particular comparison to express this view may actually have the opposite effect that you may have desired.

+1 on the balls man, your balls have their own gravity! biggrin.gif


haha cheers mate and thanks a million for digging! biggrin.gif

Yes I knew this could/would be perceived as controversial. However all I did was to put music together with existing footage of history and real life. If this is deemed as provocative then maybe the video is not the real problem. I did not discover any new facts, I just presented existing knowledge to an audience that might not have been aware of it.

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 18 2017, 05:29 AM) *
I think it's wrong what they did, but I've have still warned you against posting it there. Anywhere but there. They are just too sensitive in that country to anything, images, flags, anything, even remotely related to that part of their past. We have plenty of bits in our country that we are not proud of, but we don't have laws on the books that stop folks from talking about it all. The rebel battle flag only came down from the Georgia State Capital building a few years ago, as an example.

Still, I'm sorry to see them censor your vid and then ban you from the forum. Can you just make a new account?


I am not sure, since user accounts are tied to KPA serial number. Not sure what happens when a KPA is sold second hand though.

QUOTE (bleez @ Feb 18 2017, 04:09 PM) *
I need to grab a copy of this for my phone. Its going on my 'stuff I listen to at work that gets me through the day' playlist cool.gif
Ridiculous to ban you from the kemper forum, as Ken mentioned if they didnt like the vid then fine but a ban is crazy. Im glad GMC isnt moderated in that way.


Hey man I am really honored you are coming back to the tune listening again to it - that's really the best feedback I can get!! wub.gif


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post Feb 18 2017, 05:26 PM
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FWIW, I seriously doubt any Germans are unaware of their past. The fact that they are fully aware of that past is precisely why they are so sensitive about Nazi images. I notice a number of people "Liked" the reply from G String to your question where he said he was objecting to the Hitler salute in your video. I'm just guessing, but I wouldn't be surprised if those are all German people who supported his position. It's hard for you and me to understand their extreme sensitivity to this subject, but that's exactly why we probably shouldn't be passing judgement on how they respond to it.



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post Feb 18 2017, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Feb 18 2017, 05:26 PM) *
FWIW, I seriously doubt any Germans are unaware of their past. The fact that they are fully aware of that past is precisely why they are so sensitive about Nazi images. I notice a number of people "Liked" the reply from G String to your question where he said he was objecting to the Hitler salute in your video. I'm just guessing, but I wouldn't be surprised if those are all German people who supported his position. It's hard for you and me to understand their extreme sensitivity to this subject, but that's exactly why we probably shouldn't be passing judgement on how they respond to it.


You have a valid point for these people.

But the fact remains that if we make it harder for people in general to access information about the holocaust - we are indirectly supporting a new one. And Germans, above anybody else - should see that as a major problem.


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post Feb 19 2017, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 18 2017, 05:30 PM) *
You have a valid point for these people.

But the fact remains that if we make it harder for people in general to access information about the holocaust - we are indirectly supporting a new one. And Germans, above anybody else - should see that as a major problem.

not only that , but they don't realize that they have gone overboard and become themselves authoritarians (limiting things " they " find offensive ) funny thing is most of what we see out of the left , in America , is the same
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post Feb 19 2017, 02:59 AM
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In practical terms, can you still get to the preset exchange and such? Also, what does happen when kpas get sold to a second party? How is the forum member ship transferred? I'd be happy to be your "buyer" in such a case, as I know you need to be able to get to the forum as a kpa user, and I oppose censorship as well. smile.gif So if I can help I'd be happy to.

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 18 2017, 12:30 PM) *
You have a valid point for these people.

But the fact remains that if we make it harder for people in general to access information about the holocaust - we are indirectly supporting a new one. And Germans, above anybody else - should see that as a major problem.



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post Feb 19 2017, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 19 2017, 02:59 AM) *
In practical terms, can you still get to the preset exchange and such? Also, what does happen when kpas get sold to a second party? How is the forum member ship transferred? I'd be happy to be your "buyer" in such a case, as I know you need to be able to get to the forum as a kpa user, and I oppose censorship as well. smile.gif So if I can help I'd be happy to.


The ban does not impact my ability to get profiles or software updates. So from a practical perspective, it's not a biggie. I am not sure how the transfer works but I am assuming it is possible. I won't be attempting to bypass the ban though (but maybe will email them).


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post Feb 19 2017, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 18 2017, 04:30 PM) *
You have a valid point for these people.

But the fact remains that if we make it harder for people in general to access information about the holocaust - we are indirectly supporting a new one. And Germans, above anybody else - should see that as a major problem.


I'm pretty sure, as is often the case in these situations, it's a misunderstanding. You have to ask yourself: why are so many people on the Kemper forum supporting his position and nobody on that forum is supporting your position? If you read his response, you'll see he probably didn't watch the second half of the video. It sounds to me like he thinks the subject of your video is two Kemper profiles, not animal rights. He thinks you made a joke of the holocaust. If that's indeed the case, you're taking the wrong approach by complaining he's censoring you. Instead, you need to explain to him you weren't making a joke of a serious subject, a subject that, understandably, is a very sensitive one for him and the owners of that forum.



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post Feb 19 2017, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Feb 19 2017, 02:05 PM) *
I'm pretty sure, as is often the case in these situations, it's a misunderstanding. You have to ask yourself: why are so many people on the Kemper forum supporting his position and nobody on that forum is supporting your position? If you read his response, you'll see he probably didn't watch the second half of the video. It sounds to me like he thinks the subject of your video is two Kemper profiles, not animal rights. He thinks you made a joke of the holocaust. If that's indeed the case, you're taking the wrong approach by complaining he's censoring you. Instead, you need to explain to him you weren't making a joke of a serious subject, a subject that, understandably, is a very sensitive one for him and the owners of that forum.


Yes you could be right about a possible misunderstanding. However as soon as I questioned the removal of the video he banned me. So I have to come crawling by emailing support to get my posting rights back. And as I said - I might do that. But I don't think anybody can blame me for being a bit turned off?

I came there to showcase a music video comparing old totalitarian methods with new ones - and I immediately get banned & censored.

And mind you, I am not looking for anybody's sympathy. But I do think that when authorities misbehave (big or small ones) they should be called out for it. Furthermore I don't know why anybody would take my stand when they have no clue what my video was about.


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post Feb 19 2017, 04:07 PM
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I'm just explaining the possible misunderstanding that led to this situation, it's up to you to decide what to do about it smile.gif. However, with all due respect, and I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong, it seems to me the real problem here is neither of you is listening carefully to the other.


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post Feb 19 2017, 04:32 PM
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I don't know how big the Kemper forum is but it could be that they have to moderate and ban things all the time. Way more than most are even aware of - ? Consequently when a mod sees National Socialism images and references near the beginning of video on a German gear site, they just toss it and the author out. Maybe it's common on that forum - ?

I was banned for two weeks over at the TDPRI (telecaster forum, massive content and a ton of traffic) due to a complete misunderstanding. I tried in vain to explain what was misinterpreted (nothing political, nothing vulgar) but the mods were hearing nothing of it. Strictly by the book - if you say this, your post gets deleted and you get banned. No discussion. No exceptions.


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post Feb 19 2017, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 19 2017, 03:32 PM) *
I was banned for two weeks over at the TDPRI (telecaster forum, massive content and a ton of traffic) due to a complete misunderstanding. I tried in vain to explain what was misinterpreted (nothing political, nothing vulgar) but the mods were hearing nothing of it. Strictly by the book - if you say this, your post gets deleted and you get banned. No discussion. No exceptions.


Yeah bigger forums can be like that, I've even seen a few times where after a ban many members gathered to bring the banned member back but never seen it work.


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post Feb 19 2017, 11:10 PM
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Gotcha. Yeah, i'd email them for sure, if just to set the record straight. I can see how you'd be put off by them being to authoritarian in their behavior when being in opposition to authoritarian imagery. Seems a bit hypocritical. It did take enormous cahones to post a vid on a german gear site that included wwII germany army images. smile.gif

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The ban does not impact my ability to get profiles or software updates. So from a practical perspective, it's not a biggie. I am not sure how the transfer works but I am assuming it is possible. I won't be attempting to bypass the ban though (but maybe will email them).


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Damn good composition and playing! Excellent. You should be proud of it.

Coincidentally enough I was discussing horrific animal agricultural practices today with my niece. I have long been aware of the atrocities and restrict my diet as much as I can so as not to support the heinous animal agricultural practices in the United States. I was talking to her about a book I am reading called "Sapiens", a book on anthropology where this is one of the things discussed. Your allusion to Nazi death camps is appropriate. That we as human beings allow the barbaric cruelties to cut costs in animal agriculture is, well I can't think of of a word to describe it, it is so contemptible. It makes me ashamed to be a human being.

I believe that the prevalent anthropocentric perspective has it's root in the fact that we are the last surviving species of the Genus Homo. Go back 100 thousand years, there were at least 6 species of humans walking the planet. People have a delusion of central position, and they disregard the welfare of other species

And in Trump/Republican administration, well as the Humane Society has said, they will push progress in this matter back 50 years. Although I think on this, as with other things, we can survive and recover from 4 years of Trump.

But again, loved your video, playing, composition. You should do these more often.

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