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post Mar 4 2017, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 4 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Can you tell me what model this one is?
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From the Edge bridge, the HH V pickups, and wave inlays, I'd say that's an S520 from the early 2000's. It was made in Japan before they moved production of the standard models to Korea and Indonesia, so the workmanship is probably quite good. It was intended to be a low end model, but by today's standards it would be considered a deluxe model. The bridge in particular is rather nice. It looks like a super wizard neck, which is pretty slick. The 3-piece neck is something you don't find on standard models these days. Those necks had problems with slight cracks on the back of the locking nut around the holes drilled for the screws. It usually doesn't affect the playing, but it's something to look for.


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post Mar 4 2017, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Mar 4 2017, 12:35 PM) *
From the Edge bridge, the HH V pickups, and wave inlays, I'd say that's an S520 from the early 2000's. It was made in Japan before they moved production of the standard models to Korea and Indonesia, so the workmanship is probably quite good. It was intended to be a low end model, but by today's standards it would be considered a deluxe model. The bridge in particular is rather nice. It looks like a super wizard neck, which is pretty slick. The 3-piece neck is something you don't find on standard models these days. Those necks had problems with slight cracks on the back of the locking nut around the holes drilled for the screws. It usually doesn't affect the playing, but it's something to look for.


Funny, that same one is for sale here too

I really like the finish one this one:


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post Mar 4 2017, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Mar 4 2017, 08:35 AM) *
From the Edge bridge, the HH V pickups, and wave inlays, I'd say that's an S520 from the early 2000's. It was made in Japan before they moved production of the standard models to Korea and Indonesia, so the workmanship is probably quite good. It was intended to be a low end model, but by today's standards it would be considered a deluxe model. The bridge in particular is rather nice. It looks like a super wizard neck, which is pretty slick. The 3-piece neck is something you don't find on standard models these days. Those necks had problems with slight cracks on the back of the locking nut around the holes drilled for the screws. It usually doesn't affect the playing, but it's something to look for.

Not a bad axe then, better quality than the one I have for sure. Thanks Rammikin! cool.gif

QUOTE (yoncopin @ Mar 4 2017, 08:46 AM) *
Funny, that same one is for sale here too

I really like the finish one this one:

What a coincidence on the brown S-series! Yeah I like that finish too. My S-470 has the quilted maple top as well, kind of an orange burst to red around the edges of the body.

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post Mar 4 2017, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Mar 4 2017, 04:19 PM) *
Mertay, I found this great video series on guitar electronics. This guy has a killer DIY tool for auditioning different wiring options, and you can see the results on the spectrum analyzer. I think I was right that the tone cap doesn't affect the sound much at all when full open. I'm going to try to design a more comprehensive one for myself and ?maybe? try to sell a few? I'll put it in a large pedal enclosure, but also thought about putting it in a guitar itself. You can get cheap raw guitar bodies and necks for very cheap from GuitarFetish and I've wanted to experiment with DIY painting & finishing too. I've been curious what the final build quality would be like, but if it's to house a testing tool it wouldn't have to be a pristine player. I also thought about routing the back out to make it easy to swap pickups without affecting the strings/setup. Basically build a guitar for comprehensive testing of pickups and wiring options/mods. It'd be like my pedal cabinet but for guitars.


Glad you liked them smile.gif I've always read about GFS PU's being very good. It makes sense they're close to SD's as to my knowledge as company they don't hold many patents (like dimarzio). I wouldn't mind small noise on non-noiseless pu's as they have advantages on other aspects.

My only experience is with my modifications on humbuckers, I did take apart an ibanez inf once to try its parts but compared they were much less magnetic (even the magnet biggrin.gif) compared to dimarzio. My only advice can be is don't buy cheap china parts even if you're new to PU building cause even if you make everything right the result might still be muddy.

For treble bleed I keep reading good things about kinman but never tried it (only used the simple way).



With treble bleed I didn't notice huge difference between a cheap capasitor and an orange one. With tone pot I did but I remembered checking differences through headphones which might explain for some if the difference may not matter. To me (musically) a 0.15uf cap. is more of a character transformation thing compared to 0.22uf, its really a personal choice in the end which to choose but I always advise to play the guitar through a backing track.

Your "test guitar" is an interesting idea and I've always thought in secret thats how big companys test PU's before giving the prototypes to artists. My advice is to make a system so everytime you place a PU the height must be the same. I also remember some-guy made a rail system on the guitar so the same PU could be tested for both neck or bridge (or anywhere in between) when needed wink.gif


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post Mar 5 2017, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 4 2017, 05:06 PM) *
Not a bad axe then, better quality than the one I have for sure. Thanks Rammikin! cool.gif


What a coincidence on the brown S-series! Yeah I like that finish too. My S-470 has the quilted maple top as well, kind of an orange burst to red around the edges of the body.



Yeah, the S470 was intended to be a lower-priced model so it has less expensive components than a S540 or S520. In general, the years from 1999 to 2005 were not good years for the S series but the S520 in 2001 is a notable exception.

QUOTE (yoncopin @ Mar 4 2017, 04:46 PM) *
Funny, that same one is for sale here too

I really like the finish one this one:


The prestige models today (you can tell that's a prestige model from the binding) are some of the finest guitars Ibanez has ever made. Everything about them is top-notch. The only thing that is less than perfect for me (and this is probably just me) is I prefer a 22 fret neck. They moved the entire S series line to 24 frets in 2008. Next year will be the 30th anniversary of the S series and Ibanez is doing a great job of making sure they've got a great lineup for the anniversary.


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post Mar 6 2017, 05:33 PM
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Now that is an impressive collection. Well done there smile.gif

I've had an ibby addiction for quite some time and now I'm starting to look yet again. It never stops smile.gif
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Mar 3 2017, 03:54 PM) *
I've got a JB in the bridge position on the one on the right. It sounds great.
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post Mar 6 2017, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 4 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Nice collection man! You really must love those S-series guitars. And you have other models as well?


Yes, I do. Those are just my S540's smile.gif. I also have S2170's in the S series. One in swirled ebony and the other in poplar burl. The S2170 model was a bit controversial, but it's every bit a Prestige model, with top of the line components and workmanship. And it has what I think is the best tremolo bridge ever made, the Ibanez ZR. I do have a special fondness for the S series. Like you say, it feels great next to your body, but still has a big sound due to the solid mahogany.


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post Mar 6 2017, 08:49 PM
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Beautiful finishes on both of those guitars! I especially like the burled poplar. cool.gif I am pretty sure that I have the ZR trem on my S-470. The trem with the additional springs and the dial on the back to adjust spring tension right?

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I like it much better now that I have removed the additional spring set, it now feels more like my original floyd rose trem which is still my favorite trem. Before I modified it, the resistance of the bar wasn't consistent as I depressed the bar. It felt hard to depress at first but the further it went down, the less the resistance seemed to be which just felt strange to me.

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post Mar 6 2017, 09:42 PM
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Yes, that's it. I'm especially fond of it because of the silky smooth action on the ball bearings. And because it pivots on an axle, the bar attachment is closer to the fulcrum than you can get with a knife edge tremolo, so it's more responsive. An it doesn't wear out like a knife edge does. And the fine adjustment for the saddles is a brilliant idea. The quick adjust thumbwheel is awesome. Aside from making intonation adjustments a breeze, you can quickly switch from standard to drop D tuning. Try doing that with any other floating bridge!

The ZPS bar that you removed serves a purpose, but it's not for everybody, so that's why they made it easy to remove. I removed mine too. The problem is, people who didn't like the ZPS bar tended to fault the entire ZR bridge system, so it mistakenly got a bad reputation in some circles because of that. Eventually Ibanez got rid of the ZPS bar to help avoid confusing people. But in the end they had to stop producing the ZR bridge entirely because of legal problems. Nobody's talking, but it must have conflicted with a patent from somebody else. That's a shame since we've all lost a great tremolo bridge.


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post Mar 7 2017, 04:57 PM
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I couldn't agree more with all the Pro's you have listed there. My favorite of those pros without a doubt is that quick adjust thumbwheel, brilliant! It really is a great trem and since I have modded, or de-modded it I guess you could say, I have no issues with it. I just like the trem I grew up with better I guess. biggrin.gif I really like the trem on my new Prestige too.

I never knew that the ZPS bar had been removed on later versions. Nor had I heard of other folks removing the bar so I found that little nugget of information very interesting and am relieved to know I am not the only one who made the change. cool.gif

I don't know where I heard or read it but I was under the impression that the ZPS system was meant to keep the guitar in tune if there was a string break. In my experience before I made the change, the ZPS failed in that claim, if it was indeed a claim made by the manufacturer's of that system.

Yeah it's too bad they have stopped production. I wonder who they may have infringed on.

Thanks Rammikin.

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post Mar 7 2017, 09:31 PM
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The ZPS is basically the same as a tremsetter, it's a counterforce that is applied when you move the bar. So it forces the bridge back to the neutral position. That can help with conventional bridges that become worn and don't return properly to the neutral position. The ZR doesn't have this problem, so it makes no sense to put the ZPS on a ZR bridge. That said, it can help reduce intonation problems when bending one string while playing another (or when breaking a string), but not completely. In any case the big problem with having the ZPS installed is that you can't do flutters.

I suspect someone in marketing said: "hey we can advertise we have this nifty ZPS thing!" Someone in engineering said: "but it doesn't make sense on this bridge. " The compromise they reached was to make it easily removable, which most customers promptly did smile.gif.

As I mentioned, this unfortunately tarnished the reputation of the ZR bridge when people confused ZPS with ZR. The ZR is really marvel. Notice how little the string height changes when you move the whammy bar compared to a conventional tremolo bridge. Ibanez really knows how to make good bridges as you can see from the Edge bridge on your new guitar.



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