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Todd Simpson
post Apr 5 2017, 08:57 PM
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I believe you smile.gif BTW what are your primary sources of news/political info? Just curious as it seems you may be getting it from places that perhaps skew just a tiny pinch toward the rightish side of things?

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I know you won"t believe this todd , I only got cable last month , and only got it because it came with internet I needed . Never seen Fox news , a few stories on you tube , same with the others you mentioned , still don't have time for TV as I feel it is mostly a waste of time , sure you relax from time to time , I usually watch a movie with my wife or sports without her wink.gif

Here is a little more on how the ACA has not been as sunny as some think https://ballotpedia.org/Health_insurance_po...since_Obamacare



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post Apr 6 2017, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 5 2017, 08:57 PM) *
I believe you smile.gif BTW what are your primary sources of news/political info? Just curious as it seems you may be getting it from places that perhaps skew just a tiny pinch toward the rightish side of things?

Life is a great teacher and that ( for everybody ) colors any story , political or other wise . I remember russian bread lines . Socialism always works at first , but what always happens is it destroys the middle class . Look at Venezuela , same thing , and to think it started out so great . But things get scarce , the rich make their grab and the poor and middle class get screwed .
For any one to believe the U.S. could do socialism right , is naive . It only takes One bad leader and there goes everything , A chance I am not willing to take , thats why I am usually against anything that steers us towards socialism ( sorry Ken wink.gif )

Lets look at the democrats , They have been telling the African-American community for years they will be there for them , what have they really done for them ... Where is black lives matter , when they thought they were helping hillary win , the "Media" and the democrats could not stop talking about them , the democrats did not win so they don't need them anymore . If they were not being Used , BLM would still be in the spotlight nothing has changed , 100 % of blacks under the age of 35 are scared when they get pulled over , there are things we still to fix , but I am glad the media and dems aren't hyping the problem , cause the first thing we need to do is reduce tension between blacks and cops
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post Apr 6 2017, 06:26 PM
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Kinda side stepped the question. I'll try again, what are your news sources? Radio? NewsPaper? You have discussed current events so I gather you get news from somewhere? Drudge Report? Alex Jones? I"m guessing internet based stuff? Just let us know smile.gif


P.S. What you described in your first paragraph about how the rich get everything and the poor get screwed is exactly what we have going on now in the USA. The rich have NEVER been richer and the wage gap has NEVER been bigger. So the system we have now is producing the very results that you mention. sad.gif


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post Apr 6 2017, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 6 2017, 06:26 PM) *
P.S. What you described in your first paragraph about how the rich get everything and the poor get screwed is exactly what we have going on now in the USA. The rich have NEVER been richer and the wage gap has NEVER been bigger. So the system we have now is producing the very results that you mention. sad.gif

And why is that , could it be that the middle class took the brunt of obamacare , in this thread you and Ken received aid to help you afford it whilst I paid for you , and not even a thank you , I am crushed
and this answer my post . Democrats say one thing , but after 8 years of Obama , the gap widens .

as for my news , I will catch local news radio , maybe even a nightline or something enough to keep up on events , I pair that with a few conservative news / commentary you tube channels , keeps me up as much as I want for current events
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxeY-wRrb65Jt37QHa5xMog . Matt has just left the democrat party while crowder is a stronger conservative voice
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIveFvW-ARp_B_RckhweNJw
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post Apr 6 2017, 11:40 PM
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Ahh smile.gif That explains it. The right wing youtube channels are perhaps some of the worst sources of content available imho, in terms of "News". The right and left vids are un-sourced, biased in the extreme and often full of conspiracy theories like the Atomic Pizza thing that caused some guy to show up with a gun. At a pizza place, to save children who were not there, from being abused.

Blaming Obama is just something folks that lean a tiny pinch towards the right love to do. I don't blame him for the gap in wages. I'd blame Bush for that and Reagan and Trump. But blame is largely not the point. Trump is doing the very same thing you blame Obama for. WIDENING THE WAGE GAP. Making the rich crazy rich and screwing the middle class. After four years of him, once your taxes go up and your benefits go down, you might have a different idea of what Trump is about.

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And why is that , could it be that the middle class took the brunt of obamacare , in this thread you and Ken received aid to help you afford it whilst I paid for you , and not even a thank you , I am crushed
and this answer my post . Democrats say one thing , but after 8 years of Obama , the gap widens .

as for my news , I will catch local news radio , maybe even a nightline or something enough to keep up on events , I pair that with a few conservative news / commentary you tube channels , keeps me up as much as I want for current events
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxeY-wRrb65Jt37QHa5xMog . Matt has just left the democrat party while crowder is a stronger conservative voice
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIveFvW-ARp_B_RckhweNJw


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post Apr 7 2017, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 6 2017, 11:40 PM) *
Ahh smile.gif The right wing youtube channel are perhaps some of the worst sources of content available imho. The right and left vids are unsourced, biased in the extreme and often full of conspiracy theories like the Atomic Pizza thing that caused some guy to show up with a gun. At a pizza place.

Blaming Obama is just something folks that lean a tiny pincy towards the right love to do. I don't blame him for the gap in wages. I'd blame Bush for that and reagan and Trump. But blame is largely not the point. Trump is doing teh very same thing you blame obama for. WIDENING THE WAGE GAP. Making the rich crazy rich and screwing the middle class. After four years of him, once your taxes go up and your benefits go down, you might have a different idea of what Trump is about.

but you can"t blame Trump yet , he hasn't had time
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post Apr 7 2017, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 30 2017, 08:33 PM) *
Things doesn't look good for Trump it seems, I wouldn't be surprised in USA waged war somewhere soon.


...and only about a few days later after my comment USA bombed Syria.


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post Apr 8 2017, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 4 2017, 08:22 AM) *
We're seeing a slight decrease in quality of discussion here, with external links and less personal reasoning.

For me personally this discussion has even more strengthened my opinion that the advantages of ACA far outweighs the negative sides.

Thanks Ken, Rammikin and Todd for sharing their personal experience and reasoning!

Do you still think Trump is putins beotch
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post Apr 9 2017, 02:18 AM
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Yup!!! Here we go smile.gif Military contractors and the Military Industrial Complex are about to go nuts! Invest in Dick Cheney's old cohorts @ HALIBURTON or the rebranded BLACK WATER. Really, any company that benefits from wild overspending on bombing poor people in the middle east.

QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 7 2017, 11:07 AM) *
...and only about a few days later after my comment USA bombed Syria.


YES. Till he shares his Tax returns, he IS Putin's Bitch.


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Do you still think Trump is putins beotch


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post Apr 9 2017, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 9 2017, 02:18 AM) *
Yup!!! Here we go smile.gif Military contractors and the Military Industrial Complex are about to go nuts! Invest in Dick Cheney's old cohorts @ HALIBURTON or the rebranded BLACK WATER. Really, any company that benefits from wild overspending on bombing poor people in the middle east.



YES. Till he shares his Tax returns, he IS Putin's Bitch.

he is doin exactly what hillary wanted and now all of a sudden your against it
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/07...efore/22030847/

And you better do your research on Halliburton , they were the contractor hired by Billy
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/bill...liburton.25750/

Looks like the Clintons do exactly what you get mad at Trump for doing

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post Apr 9 2017, 04:09 AM
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wow. You gotta let go of your preconceived notion that I am a Hillary fan. I AM NOT. I didn't mention her at all. You did. My point is that under Trump, we are going to have a massive expansion of the Military Industrial Complex, the likes of which we have not seen since the Cold War. I assert that this is BAD POLICY because the shreds of discretionary tax dollars left over after Military/Entitlement spending would be better spent elsewhere IMHO, like helping the poor, aged, disabled. That is my point. My only point. Clear? smile.gif

I support a reduction in our Military Spending as we are fighting ISIS who has no Air Force, Navy, Etc. We have domestic problems that buying more Tanks, and More Jets will not Solve, at all, ever.


Then you mention Bill Clinton. Again, NOT A FAN OF THE CLINTONS. I do not embrace the Democratic party, Republican Party, or Libertarian Party. Period. I'm independent since the Libertarians want to give Guns to the Mentally ill. My ONLY POINT on that was, again, the expansion of the Military Industrial Complex at the expense of domestic issues. Not playing the "Blame Game" as it's pointless. Blame is not Policy.

Todd

P.S. Let's skip the blame game and maybe discuss what might be effective policy?

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he is doin exactly what hillary wanted and now all of a sudden your against it
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/07...efore/22030847/

And you better do your research on Halliburton , they were the contractor hired by Billy
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/bill...liburton.25750/

Looks like the Clintons do exactly what you get mad at Trump for doing


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post Apr 9 2017, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 7 2017, 05:56 PM) *
Do you still think Trump is putins beotch


The real answer probably lies closer to this ...

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Talking about what Hillary would have done is as pointless as talking about what Picasso would've done.
Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America and all sides have to deal with it. In real time.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't exist.

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post Apr 9 2017, 07:32 PM
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Well said smile.gif Pointless comparisons are just that, pointless comparisons. Maybe one day the upcoming TAX MARCH will have an impact, or maybe the web site petition with over a MILLION SIGNATURES insisting he release his tax returns.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/i...ause-compliance

Once we can "follow the money" I think we will have a better idea of where he is really coming from and what he is and isn't likely to actually do. I don't think he would go against his own financial interests.

From the Petition Web Site
"Immediately release Donald Trump's full tax returns, with all information needed to verify emoluments clause compliance.
Created by A.D. on January 20, 2017

Needs 0 signatures by February 19, 2017 to get a response from the White House

1,087,839 SIGNED 100,000 GOAL
The unprecedented economic conflicts of this administration need to be visible to the American people, including any pertinent documentation which can reveal the foreign influences and financial interests which may put Donald Trump in conflict with the emoluments clause of the Constitution."


QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 9 2017, 11:41 AM) *
The real answer probably lies closer to this ...

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Talking about what Hillary would have done is as pointless as talking about what Picasso would've done.
Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America and all sides have to deal with it. In real time.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't exist.


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post Apr 9 2017, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 9 2017, 04:41 PM) *
The real answer probably lies closer to this ...


Talking about what Hillary would have done is as pointless as talking about what Picasso would've done.
Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America and all sides have to deal with it. In real time.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't exist.

The point is valid , Obama fires more cruise missiles than anyone and then gets a peace prize , all along the left and such have no complaints . Trump does it and all of a sudden , its seams the left comes out in full force , doesn't that seems vaguely resembling hypocrisy . Same with Haliburton
, When Bill gives no bid contracts to them - the left , nothing . When a republican gives them a contract ( because clinton already had them set up for a difficult situation ) ... More hypocrisy

As far as the comic , its funny yes , but we need to move that to the flat earth thread

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post Apr 9 2017, 09:56 PM
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They carpetbombed an airbase with 59 tomahawks yet only 4 dead soldiers... Russia already reported they knew the attack was coming.

Russia, Iran making hate speaches/threatening the USA benefits from this in their countrys. This is exactly the same thing what Trump did in election period and doing now.


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post Apr 9 2017, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 9 2017, 01:28 PM) *
The point is valid , Obama fires more cruise missiles than anyone and then gets a peace prize , all along the left and such have no complaints . Trump does it and all of a sudden , its seams the left comes out in full force , doesn't that seems vaguely resembling hypocrisy . Same with Haliburton
, When Bill gives no bid contracts to them - the left , nothing . When a republican gives them a contract ( because clinton already had them set up for a difficult situation ) ... More hypocrisy

As far as the comic , its funny yes , but we need to move that to the flat earth thread


Obama def did not get a pass on prolonging conflict. In fact that's probably a big reason why the Dems lost the election.
But I don't care what the left or right says about stuff that was in the past or never happened (because Hillary didn't get elected).
I'm way smarter than to pay attention to that bullshit and I think you and everybody else who participates here is too. I don't deal in 'maybe' or 'might have been'. It's absolutely pointless, unproductive ... and really fucking boring.

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post Apr 10 2017, 03:20 AM
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Sweeping generalizations aside, pointless points are still points so there is that smile.gif But yeah, I'm concerned with Policy.


QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 9 2017, 04:28 PM) *
The point is valid , Obama fires more cruise missiles than anyone and then gets a peace prize , all along the left and such have no complaints . Trump does it and all of a sudden , its seams the left comes out in full force , doesn't that seems vaguely resembling hypocrisy . Same with Haliburton
, When Bill gives no bid contracts to them - the left , nothing . When a republican gives them a contract ( because clinton already had them set up for a difficult situation ) ... More hypocrisy

As far as the comic , its funny yes , but we need to move that to the flat earth thread



Agreed!! Unproductive and worse, boring. sad.gif

QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 9 2017, 06:10 PM) *
Obama def did not get a pass on prolonging conflict. In fact that's probably a big reason why the Dems lost the election.
But I don't care what the left or right says about stuff that was in the past or never happened (because Hillary didn't get elected).
I'm way smarter than to pay attention to that bullshit and I think you and everybody else who participates here is too. I don't deal in 'maybe' or 'might have been'. It's absolutely pointless, unproductive ... and really fucking boring.



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post Apr 10 2017, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 9 2017, 11:10 PM) *
Obama def did not get a pass on prolonging conflict. In fact that's probably a big reason why the Dems lost the election.
But I don't care what the left or right says about stuff that was in the past or never happened (because Hillary didn't get elected).
I'm way smarter than to pay attention to that bullshit and I think you and everybody else who participates here is too. I don't deal in 'maybe' or 'might have been'. It's absolutely pointless, unproductive ... and really fucking boring.

The same could be said about wild unproven theories or someone looking to a comic to prove their point
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 10 2017, 02:35 AM) *
The same could be said about wild unproven theories or someone looking to a comic to prove their point


You know I don't go for the 'wild, unproven' stuff. As for the cartoon - come on, it's satire. We need more of that.


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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 10 2017, 02:31 PM) *
You know I don't go for the 'wild, unproven' stuff. As for the cartoon - come on, it's satire. We need more of that.

Satire is fine and needed , I'm just afraid it will send some looking for any far fetched so called " proof " that gives it merit , so as long as the comics stay just that , I am all for them
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