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Apr 5 2017, 08:57 PM
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I believe you
 BTW what are your primary sources of news/political info? Just curious as it seems you may be getting it from places that perhaps skew just a tiny pinch toward the rightish side of things?QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 4 2017, 06:43 PM)  I know you won"t believe this todd , I only got cable last month , and only got it because it came with internet I needed . Never seen Fox news , a few stories on you tube , same with the others you mentioned , still don't have time for TV as I feel it is mostly a waste of time , sure you relax from time to time , I usually watch a movie with my wife or sports without her  Here is a little more on how the ACA has not been as sunny as some think https://ballotpedia.org/Health_insurance_po...since_Obamacare |
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Apr 6 2017, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 6 2017, 06:26 PM) P.S. What you described in your first paragraph about how the rich get everything and the poor get screwed is exactly what we have going on now in the USA. The rich have NEVER been richer and the wage gap has NEVER been bigger. So the system we have now is producing the very results that you mention.  And why is that , could it be that the middle class took the brunt of obamacare , in this thread you and Ken received aid to help you afford it whilst I paid for you , and not even a thank you , I am crushed and this answer my post . Democrats say one thing , but after 8 years of Obama , the gap widens . as for my news , I will catch local news radio , maybe even a nightline or something enough to keep up on events , I pair that with a few conservative news / commentary you tube channels , keeps me up as much as I want for current events https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxeY-wRrb65Jt37QHa5xMog . Matt has just left the democrat party while crowder is a stronger conservative voice https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIveFvW-ARp_B_RckhweNJw |
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Apr 6 2017, 11:40 PM
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Ahh
That explains it. The right wing youtube channels are perhaps some of the worst sources of content available imho, in terms of "News". The right and left vids are un-sourced, biased in the extreme and often full of conspiracy theories like the Atomic Pizza thing that caused some guy to show up with a gun. At a pizza place, to save children who were not there, from being abused.Blaming Obama is just something folks that lean a tiny pinch towards the right love to do. I don't blame him for the gap in wages. I'd blame Bush for that and Reagan and Trump. But blame is largely not the point. Trump is doing the very same thing you blame Obama for. WIDENING THE WAGE GAP. Making the rich crazy rich and screwing the middle class. After four years of him, once your taxes go up and your benefits go down, you might have a different idea of what Trump is about. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 6 2017, 05:40 PM) And why is that , could it be that the middle class took the brunt of obamacare , in this thread you and Ken received aid to help you afford it whilst I paid for you , and not even a thank you , I am crushed
and this answer my post . Democrats say one thing , but after 8 years of Obama , the gap widens . as for my news , I will catch local news radio , maybe even a nightline or something enough to keep up on events , I pair that with a few conservative news / commentary you tube channels , keeps me up as much as I want for current events https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxeY-wRrb65Jt37QHa5xMog . Matt has just left the democrat party while crowder is a stronger conservative voice https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIveFvW-ARp_B_RckhweNJw This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Apr 9 2017, 02:15 AM |
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Apr 9 2017, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 9 2017, 02:18 AM) Yup!!! Here we go Military contractors and the Military Industrial Complex are about to go nuts! Invest in Dick Cheney's old cohorts @ HALIBURTON or the rebranded BLACK WATER. Really, any company that benefits from wild overspending on bombing poor people in the middle east.YES. Till he shares his Tax returns, he IS Putin's Bitch. he is doin exactly what hillary wanted and now all of a sudden your against it https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/07...efore/22030847/ And you better do your research on Halliburton , they were the contractor hired by Billy https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/bill...liburton.25750/ Looks like the Clintons do exactly what you get mad at Trump for doing This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Apr 9 2017, 02:48 AM |
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Apr 9 2017, 04:09 AM
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wow. You gotta let go of your preconceived notion that I am a Hillary fan. I AM NOT. I didn't mention her at all. You did. My point is that under Trump, we are going to have a massive expansion of the Military Industrial Complex, the likes of which we have not seen since the Cold War. I assert that this is BAD POLICY because the shreds of discretionary tax dollars left over after Military/Entitlement spending would be better spent elsewhere IMHO, like helping the poor, aged, disabled. That is my point. My only point. Clear?
I support a reduction in our Military Spending as we are fighting ISIS who has no Air Force, Navy, Etc. We have domestic problems that buying more Tanks, and More Jets will not Solve, at all, ever. Then you mention Bill Clinton. Again, NOT A FAN OF THE CLINTONS. I do not embrace the Democratic party, Republican Party, or Libertarian Party. Period. I'm independent since the Libertarians want to give Guns to the Mentally ill. My ONLY POINT on that was, again, the expansion of the Military Industrial Complex at the expense of domestic issues. Not playing the "Blame Game" as it's pointless. Blame is not Policy. Todd P.S. Let's skip the blame game and maybe discuss what might be effective policy? QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 8 2017, 09:41 PM) he is doin exactly what hillary wanted and now all of a sudden your against it
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/07...efore/22030847/ And you better do your research on Halliburton , they were the contractor hired by Billy https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/bill...liburton.25750/ Looks like the Clintons do exactly what you get mad at Trump for doing This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Apr 9 2017, 04:45 AM |
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Apr 9 2017, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 7 2017, 05:56 PM) Do you still think Trump is putins beotch The real answer probably lies closer to this ...  Talking about what Hillary would have done is as pointless as talking about what Picasso would've done. Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America and all sides have to deal with it. In real time. Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't exist. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 9 2017, 04:46 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Apr 9 2017, 07:32 PM
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Well said
Pointless comparisons are just that, pointless comparisons. Maybe one day the upcoming TAX MARCH will have an impact, or maybe the web site petition with over a MILLION SIGNATURES insisting he release his tax returns.https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/i...ause-compliance Once we can "follow the money" I think we will have a better idea of where he is really coming from and what he is and isn't likely to actually do. I don't think he would go against his own financial interests. From the Petition Web Site "Immediately release Donald Trump's full tax returns, with all information needed to verify emoluments clause compliance. Created by A.D. on January 20, 2017 Needs 0 signatures by February 19, 2017 to get a response from the White House 1,087,839 SIGNED 100,000 GOAL The unprecedented economic conflicts of this administration need to be visible to the American people, including any pertinent documentation which can reveal the foreign influences and financial interests which may put Donald Trump in conflict with the emoluments clause of the Constitution." QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 9 2017, 11:41 AM) The real answer probably lies closer to this ...
Talking about what Hillary would have done is as pointless as talking about what Picasso would've done. Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America and all sides have to deal with it. In real time. Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't exist. This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Apr 9 2017, 07:34 PM |
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Apr 9 2017, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 9 2017, 01:28 PM) The point is valid , Obama fires more cruise missiles than anyone and then gets a peace prize , all along the left and such have no complaints . Trump does it and all of a sudden , its seams the left comes out in full force , doesn't that seems vaguely resembling hypocrisy . Same with Haliburton , When Bill gives no bid contracts to them - the left , nothing . When a republican gives them a contract ( because clinton already had them set up for a difficult situation ) ... More hypocrisy As far as the comic , its funny yes , but we need to move that to the flat earth thread Obama def did not get a pass on prolonging conflict. In fact that's probably a big reason why the Dems lost the election. But I don't care what the left or right says about stuff that was in the past or never happened (because Hillary didn't get elected). I'm way smarter than to pay attention to that bullshit and I think you and everybody else who participates here is too. I don't deal in 'maybe' or 'might have been'. It's absolutely pointless, unproductive ... and really fucking boring. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 9 2017, 11:11 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Apr 10 2017, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 10 2017, 02:35 AM) The same could be said about wild unproven theories or someone looking to a comic to prove their point You know I don't go for the 'wild, unproven' stuff. As for the cartoon - come on, it's satire. We need more of that. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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