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AK Rich
post Mar 22 2017, 05:59 PM
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I ran across this fretless Kramer on Craigslist today and texted the owner asking to take a look at it. It's kind of hard to go wrong for $50.
What do you guys think?

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/6052911475.html
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post Mar 22 2017, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 22 2017, 05:59 PM) *
I ran across this fretless Kramer on Craigslist today and texted the owner asking to take a look at it. It's kind of hard to go wrong for $50.
What do you guys think?

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/6052911475.html

kinda hard to pass on that one
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post Mar 22 2017, 08:53 PM
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I sometimes see squire's like that where I live, the price seems right.


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post Mar 22 2017, 10:57 PM
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Seems like a bargain to me. Even better if you can take a look at it first. What did they go for new?


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post Mar 23 2017, 03:30 AM
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EDIT: The ad says it's a FOCUS but the head stock looks like PACER. I don't remember a focus with that head stock and I owned a focus. As I remember, they were all hockey stick style from the focus 1000 going forward ( I was a Kramer guy before I became an Ibby guy)? Which series of focus is this? Either way, for the price I'd still grab it if it plays well.

Hard to say no for that price!! Is it really a kramer or a kramer pacer neck on a fender body? I don't remember an HSS with pick guard and non locking trem being done as a Kramer Pacer?


QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 22 2017, 12:59 PM) *
I ran across this fretless Kramer on Craigslist today and texted the owner asking to take a look at it. It's kind of hard to go wrong for $50.
What do you guys think?

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/6052911475.html


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post Mar 23 2017, 08:49 AM
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If one wants to try a fretless, this is the beginner way for many.

Such guitars during their lifetime usually exchanges many owners. Most I've seen were very beaten-up so aside price thats what makes it a better deal. Most don't keep such guitars but since there's practically no money loss when wanting to sell, it will be atleast a fun experience to try.


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post Mar 23 2017, 02:43 PM
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Converting any guitar to fretless would cost you $50. Either in time or actual money. To have a decent luthier do it - which is recommended because pulling the frets and refilling the gaps is 1) not as easy as it sounds and 2) there's a lot of set up issues that change w/o frets (nut height for one) - will cost you at least $150.

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post Mar 23 2017, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Mar 23 2017, 02:43 PM) *
Converting any guitar to fretless would cost you $50. Either in time or actual money. To have a decent luthier do it - which is recommended because pulling the frets and refilling the gaps is 1) not as easy as it sounds and 2) there's a lot of set up issues that change w/o frets (nut height for one) - will cost you at least $150.

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Go for it Rich, for $50 you can't go wrong!!
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QUOTE (DeGroot @ Mar 22 2017, 01:57 PM) *
Seems like a bargain to me. Even better if you can take a look at it first. What did they go for new?


QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Mar 22 2017, 06:30 PM) *
EDIT: The ad says it's a FOCUS but the head stock looks like PACER. I don't remember a focus with that head stock and I owned a focus. As I remember, they were all hockey stick style from the focus 1000 going forward ( I was a Kramer guy before I became an Ibby guy)? Which series of focus is this? Either way, for the price I'd still grab it if it plays well.

Hard to say no for that price!! Is it really a kramer or a kramer pacer neck on a fender body? I don't remember an HSS with pick guard and non locking trem being done as a Kramer Pacer?

The model is Focus 211s by Kramer. Uber entry level I think you could say biggrin.gif I think it is from the early 2000's not sure though. A squire strat with a focus neck is a good description. It looks like they were just under $100 new.
Here is one I found on ebay for $75. And also a review I ran across.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kramer-Focus-211s-...=item2ef7402696

http://en.audiofanzine.com/stc-shaped-guit...ws/r.96469.html

QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 22 2017, 11:49 PM) *
If one wants to try a fretless, this is the beginner way for many.

Such guitars during their lifetime usually exchanges many owners. Most I've seen were very beaten-up so aside price thats what makes it a better deal. Most don't keep such guitars but since there's practically no money loss when wanting to sell, it will be atleast a fun experience to try.


Give that man a prize! You have tapped into my reasoning in buying this thing. It will be fun to experiment with and if I don't like it or just end up being done having my fun with it. I should be able to recoup pretty easily and pass it on to the next curious cat like myself. I may end up taking a small loss as there are a couple things that need attention. One of the adjustment screws for intonation and spring are missing from the bridge and it looks like he used a hot knife (the nut isn't filed, it is melted laugh.gif ) on the nut to widen and deepen the slots to bring the strings closer to the fretboard.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Mar 23 2017, 05:43 AM) *
Converting any guitar to fretless would cost you $50. Either in time or actual money. To have a decent luthier do it - which is recommended because pulling the frets and refilling the gaps is 1) not as easy as it sounds and 2) there's a lot of set up issues that change w/o frets (nut height for one) - will cost you at least $150.


Give this man a prize too! The slots where the frets used to be and the entire fretboard was finished with Cyanoacrylate (basically super glue). It was applied, sanded and finished 4 times in order to get it all nice and smooth with no gaps the guy says. It has turned out very smooth and I don't feel any of those grooves when sliding my fingertips along the fretboard. This should also protect the fretboard from the excessive wear that you would see from strings rubbing on the wood.

It is a bit strange to play. If you think that 9's are too thin to begin with, try em with no frets! You can barely feel that high E string under your finger. And when I play an open chord up at the top of the neck it kind of sounds like strumming a chord on a violin. I think playing this fretless might actually help me develop that quick slide vibrato thing I have been working on. I'll probably pick up the parts I need to fix it and a heavier set of strings and play with the setup a bit.

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post Mar 23 2017, 08:40 PM
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The screw can be found and the nut can be changed for not much money if needed so all is still good, congrats! smile.gif

Maybe doing basic 1-2-3-4 exercises to memorize fret-end-points can be a good start. Who knows maybe it will help with the standard guitar in time.

Vigier not too long ago released a pro fretless guitar, youtube has nice stuff for you to listen and practice smile.gif



Also a bit ethnic but Erkan Oğur is a famous fretless guitar play where I live;



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post Mar 24 2017, 02:29 AM
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Ahh smile.gif Learn something new everyday! It appears to be a vintage of around 2008, by which time I was an Ibby guy and no longer a kramer guy. It's a bit of an odd configuration for kramer but yeah it's a real kramer! Looks stock not a mutt build. And like folks are saying it would cost at lest that much to have a guitar converted so yeah, I'd say go for it!

Super congrats look like you got it!! Record some bits for us or better yet, use it in my shred challenge for the week! You can use your cell phone if you like, no video required.


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