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Phil66
post Apr 12 2017, 08:05 PM
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Since getting my Telecaster with 3 saddles I've been thinking about saddles and intonation (I think too much rolleyes.gif ) I was thinking, "How do these compensated saddles work if every guitar is different? Seems that maybe they aren't immensely different and that many pairs of saddles have a similar directional offset.

Every single one of my guitars has a similar setup. The high E saddle is closer to the neck than the B, the G saddle is further from the neck than the D and the A saddle is closer to the neck than the low E.

Just a time wasting post but I find it interesting anyway laugh.gif

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post Apr 12 2017, 08:26 PM
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Generally speaking, the same models will be pretty consistent. Enough for a luthier to 'eyeball' it before making small adjustments. Especially on modern guitars and basses that have been cut on CNC machines - which is most production line instruments from any manufacturer.

The differences with saddle adjustment and compensation are going to be based what you prefer when it comers to string height, string diameter (gauge), saddle width, neck angle and neck relief. All those things together can dramatically impact how one may want or need to compensate with the bridge saddles - including their dimensions and alloy.

Since you seem to be hankerin' for some Tele bridge thoughts and ideas - here's some stuff for you to dig into.
*Be advised, this is a very deep rabbit hole ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=telecaster+...-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+v+...-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php...saddles.731693/

*I prefer these bridge plates and saddles from "Glendale Guitars" on all my Tele and Tele inspired axes ...
Bridge Plate - http://www.glendaleguitars.com/glendale19.htm (vintage blackguard, single cut)
Saddles - http://www.glendaleguitars.com/glendale1.htm (twang plus set)

I LOVE talking Teles so feel free to ask anything.

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post Apr 13 2017, 08:21 PM
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Musicman uses compansated nuts, very cool idea.


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post Apr 13 2017, 10:26 PM
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Thanks folks,

It's a very interesting subject. I need to slightly adjust the action first wink.gif

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post Apr 14 2017, 07:09 AM
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I got the compensated brass saddles put on my tele when the new PU's were fitted. The guy who done the work was very impressed with the guitar. Granted, it sounds better in his hands coz he's way better than me but still biggrin.gif

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post Apr 15 2017, 11:22 AM
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It makes sense for particular models but from my experience guitar setup - neck curve, strings height and nut slots depth vary so much, that those compensated nuts can't always be considered to work just fine with no tweaking. Some guitars start to tune perfectly right after you reach minimum acceptable distance between strings and 1st fret, adjusting string angle on the nut as well.

In other cases it really makes the differece right away, when you put a compensated nut.

Interesting thing is when you have for example an acoustic guitar with pre-intonated, solid saddle or shall I say...whole bridge (Furch made one for example). We are used to see G3 saddle being pushed to the back of the bridge. It works when you have your strings quite high and G3 being the one that has the smallest tension, tends to get up with it's pitch while being pressed. But...for many people who adjust very low strings action, it simply doesn't work, because the "exceed" of g3 pitch with low strings action is much smaller. That's why I belive that it's not worth trusting in "use ready" solutions. Each instrument is quite different though...


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post Apr 15 2017, 02:20 PM
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Compensated nuts (and saddles) have been used on 'classical' guitars for over 100 years ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=compensated...280&bih=671

http://liikanenguitars.com/Guitar-compensation.php

http://www.hygra.com/nut/

http://setitupbetter.com/Compensating-The-Nut.php

*A good luthier will/should always make small adjustments to the nut, especially with regard to the 'break' angle.

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