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Gabriel Leopardi
post Apr 21 2017, 04:00 PM
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People at GMC Instagram account (@gmcaxe) is starting to talk about a new scale... Dahl-orian scale...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTJWTVhh6Ek/?ta...mcaxe&hl=es


I think that the scale is close to this:





Is this right Kris? What's the secret behind your Fake Jazz playing?


What about having some GMCers jamming over this other backing in Am? It's not necessary to play jazz, play in your own style.



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post Apr 21 2017, 09:19 PM
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Well I had a go using that scale and it's pretty tricky biggrin.gif My favourite lick is at 00:57 cool.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/dahl-orian-improv

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post Apr 21 2017, 10:50 PM
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hehe I like the sound of that scale name! laugh.gif

Those notes can surely be used to create some out/jazzy style line sover the backing!

I tend to just think pentatonic scale + weird notes - however visualising it through the scale your provided should work as well.

The important thing to realise is that you need to have the strong pentatonic notes as your base - and just briefly touch the weird notes.

People should def try this backing - awesome to see we have a take already!

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 21 2017, 09:19 PM) *
Well I had a go using that scale and it's pretty tricky biggrin.gif My favourite lick is at 00:57 cool.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/dahl-orian-improv


Sounds very cool Phil and I can note huge progress in your playing!

The main thing to look out for is to not emphasize the weird notes too much. And this is when swingy style phrasing is handy, because it lends it self to playing every other note softas a passing note.

If the above didn't make sene, then just try to think about not resting too long on the weird notes.

All in all this was a really cool take though - congrats!


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post Apr 21 2017, 10:52 PM
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Thanks Kris

I don't know what I'm doing, i just look at the scale diagram and wing it cool.gif

This has made me think that it's ok to break out of key though. I'm always "scared" to break out of key for fear of "criticism" for doing the 'wrong" thing.

That was one take after one listen. I notice in my Improvisations i tend to play small groups of notes with gaps, I struggle to create longer runs and the gaps, i guess, are thinking space.

I do love that last lick though. Don't know why but i do smile.gif

Cheers buddy

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post Apr 22 2017, 03:51 PM
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Nice to see Kris explanation and also a first take by Phil!

I think that the approach shared by Kris is the best way to treat every new scale that we learn, and it's also what he is suggesting Phil doing in order to improve his improvisation.

When learning a scale, it's important to identify its structure and be able to find which are the stronger notes in relation with the tonality at first place, and then off course in relation to the chord sounding. In this case, it's safe to identify the pentatonic scale (as well as the root minor arpeggio) and start by using the other notes as passing notes, but I recommend to not only limit to that, mostly when you are on the learning / experimenting stage with a scale. It's really useful to dedicate some time to hear how each note of the scale sounds, and how the different combination of notes sound.

I also think that your improvisation would benefit a lot by more rhythm experimentation. I'll send you a PM with some ideas, and I hope to see a new vid from you here. smile.gif



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post Apr 22 2017, 04:22 PM
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That looks like what I call the Mixo-Dorian Penta-Blues scale. My favorite! cool.gif Toss a B note in there for good measure.

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Apr 22 2017, 12:22 PM) *
That looks like what I call the Mixo-Dorian Penta-Blues scale. My favorite! cool.gif Toss a B note in there for good measure.



hehehe is there are AKRich-ixorian take coming??? smile.gif


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post Apr 22 2017, 04:51 PM
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biggrin.gif hehe all those notes are very cool indeed


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post Apr 22 2017, 08:21 PM
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So what exactly makes a scale a scale?

Ok, here's another go, I just can't do that rhythm thing, I just keep going de da diddly daa, diddly da de daa etc etc.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/dahl-orian-improv-2

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UPDATE: Sunday April 23rd 2017:

Ok, after talking with Kris in the Livestream I had another go. There a lots of things here that don't come out as I hoped, it was totally improvised but hopefully, you can hear what I was trying to do and maybe give me some more pointers. The hammer on section really didn't work but then I don't do much of that but I saw Kris do it either in answer to my question or someone else's. You can hear some of that horrible COSM fizzing in parts, there must be a way to dial that out mad.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/dahl-orian-improv-3

Cheers folks.

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Just a nudge because I added my last take to my last post and it doesn't bump it up wink.gif


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Yeah! This take is much more interesting. You added rhythmic variation as suggested.

Also - this method of introducing pauses does not only give your playing more variation - but it also presents a new challenge. Your ability to start and end phrases in time is put to the test, so please continue on this path and you will see very interesting results.


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post Apr 24 2017, 01:56 PM
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Hi Phil! The new take has really important improvements regarding rhythm and note choices. This is definitely the right track. You should continue experimenting until both elements become more natural but at this point it's ok to force it a bit in order to get familiar.

As we've talked about rhythm when improvising and you are clearly understanding the concept and how to apply it, I recommend you to check out some of your favourite guitarists improvising and put your focus on how the manage rhythm, and phrasing.

About your what's a scale question, it really worth to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)



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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 22 2017, 07:48 AM) *
hehehe is there are AKRich-ixorian take coming??? smile.gif

laugh.gif I might have to try and catch you on the next track Gabriel. I still haven't got everything squared away with my new recording setup.
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 24 2017, 01:56 PM) *
About your what's a scale question, it really worth to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)

Thanks Gab, I knew what a scale is, I just wondered what the rules are if you wanted to make one up. I think that pretty much explains it all. smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 24 2017, 02:36 PM) *
Thanks Gab, I knew what a scale is, I just wondered what the rules are if you wanted to make one up. I think that pretty much explains it all. smile.gif



By getting deeper on the theory behind scales, you'll answer your own question. You can build any combination that you'd like. The key is to learn how to identify which is the mother scale of what you've build, and then see if there are also some extra notes (ex: Lydian b7, Mixolydian #4).




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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 27 2017, 02:33 PM) *
By getting deeper on the theory behind scales, you'll answer your own question. You can build any combination that you'd like. The key is to learn how to identify which is the mother scale of what you've build, and then see if there are also some extra notes (ex: Lydian b7, Mixolydian #4).


GULP! unsure.gif biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 27 2017, 11:13 AM) *
GULP! unsure.gif biggrin.gif


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