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post Aug 11 2017, 11:20 PM
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So I've apparently become an idiot over night, and forgot how to do things.

It's an Ibanez with tremolo.

I tune the guitars on the normal tuners. It's perfect.
I lock the nuts. It's out of tune by 1/4th of a tone. Flat. So I try to tune as good as possible with the fine tuners. This is near impossible, as I run out of possibility to turn the fine tuners anymore, even though they were turned almost all the way away.
"Okay, let's unlock the nut and try again", I think. As soon as I unlock the nuts, the guitar is tuned 1/4 note too sharp.

What the hell is going on? I've never had problems like this before!



Could it be something as simple as old strings? 2 months?


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post Aug 11 2017, 11:30 PM
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Its normal that when a nut is locked the guitar can go slightly out of tune.

But if there's something out of the ordinary, check the metal bar right behind the locking nut, near tuners where strings pass under it. It may not be sitting proper or angled while you changed strings.

The bar should be at the toppest point of the 2 screws, sometimes one side might fall down and get stuck causing such problems.

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post Aug 11 2017, 11:36 PM
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I've never had an issue with them going that much out of tune, then almost not being able to tune afterwards with the fine tuners though. Could it just be bad strings? I've not changed them, just noticed the g string was out of tune and then all hell broke loose!


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post Aug 11 2017, 11:44 PM
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So everythings ok with that metal bar? it might also be you didn't lock the nut tight enough or something about the spring system on the tremolo...there can be a few reasons but if you suspect anything specific feel free to share a photo here.

My experience is bad strings usually tune faster than new ones, but if you have any suspicion since its been 2 months I'd say its time to change the strings anyway.


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post Aug 11 2017, 11:52 PM
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I'll try new strings tomorrow.

Metal bar is okay. It's practically impossible to tune it, as said. As soon as I lock the locking nuts, and try to tune with the fine tuners, I run out of room for the fine tuners to tune more, if that makes sense. That means I have to go back and look at the regular tuners. Repeat over and over.


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post Aug 12 2017, 12:01 AM
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When removed the strings check if you feel the nut is screwed to the neck tight enough. If the finetuners full range isn't enough when strings are locked I suspect something get loose.


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post Aug 12 2017, 12:53 AM
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Obviously can't change strings till tomorrow, as I've not got the right kind, but now, even without the locking nut, the B string won't stay in tune at all. I can tune it, do a bend and then it's 1/8 of a note off.

I'm starting to lose my mind here!


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post Aug 12 2017, 01:11 AM
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I've had that happen when the nut blocks were too worn and grooved where the string passed through. Are they oriented the correct direction? Could be 90 degrees off?


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post Aug 12 2017, 01:48 AM
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They are turned the right way. Guitar is brand new - 2 months old. Shouldn't be a problem.


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post Aug 12 2017, 03:58 AM
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Don't use the fine tuners when all the stings are out of tune. Those are only for making small adjustments to individual strings. Instead, after you lock the nut and find all the strings are now flat, adjust the tension on the springs in the back to bring them back into tune.


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post Aug 12 2017, 05:29 AM
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What Rammikin said smile.gif If you get to the point where the guitar just won't tune, take a look at the angle of the tremolo. if you notice it's starting to up a bit out of the cavity, that's a clear sign that it may need tightening underneath. If you have the zero point, you can adjust it with just a knob and don't even have to take the cavity plate off.

Putting on the lock nuts presses against the strings and can bring them a pinch sharp. If everything is sharp the trem may have too much tension, if you can't get it to come up to tune, it may have too little.

If just one string is the issue, the G in this case, it could be slipping a bit. This can be the lock nut having been grooved by overtightening etc. or not enough tension when locking the nut down.

If you know it's needing a lot of adjustment once you lock down. set the fine tuner all the way opposite of the direction you need to tune before you lock. E.G. tighten all the way down if you know it will be sharp. If you can unscrew the fine tuner from all the way in to all the way loose and not get the string in tune, then there is something going on to be sure.

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Don't use the fine tuners when all the stings are out of tune. Those are only for making small adjustments to individual strings. Instead, after you lock the nut and find all the strings are now flat, adjust the tension on the springs in the back to bring them back into tune.



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post Aug 12 2017, 06:59 AM
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The trem is set level with the guitar body though, according to the way it's supposed to be set up, but it still acts the described way.


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post Aug 12 2017, 08:30 AM
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In some weird way I've succeded in tuning it again.


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post Aug 12 2017, 06:17 PM
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Super Congrats! It might have just needed to settle after you switched tunings.

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