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post Sep 4 2017, 06:38 PM
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We all know this video biggrin.gif



I wonder if the performance was recorded using the two microphones on the desk in front - or is it a couch - (after 5s of the video you will see what I mean) Usually I see microphones directly at the speaker or at very short distance from speaker. Any idea?

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post Sep 4 2017, 08:19 PM
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To me it does sound like they used the 2 mic.s (there might be more) but post process in involved.

Before multitrack was non-existant or extremely limited (analog), it took a lot of effort for the engineers to get a good sound but it was worth it. Anything you hear thats from the black and white tv era was probably recorded with 1 mic. but there's definitly a beauty to those sounds.


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post Sep 5 2017, 08:53 AM
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Thanks Mertay - do you have a guess what kind of mics they might use. The big looks to me like a condensor microphone.
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post Sep 5 2017, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 5 2017, 07:53 AM) *
Thanks Mertay - do you have a guess what kind of mics they might use. The big looks to me like a condensor microphone.


One needs very sensitive mic.s like (usually) condencer or ribbon for such application. Not all condencers have the same sensitivity so model can be important, maybe ones that can be used to record drum cymbals can be a good generalization. For this video I'd guess they simply used what they had available.

But the harder thing is where its placed to get the best out of them. Different freq.s can build-up on different areas of the room, so to get a clear sound it might take time to find the most clear sounding placement. Or one might want to create his/her own room reverb instead of using plug-ins, then placing it near a wall might help the reverb to sound bigger...


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post Sep 5 2017, 02:11 PM
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Thanks for sharing your insight. I was just wondering how a room mic will add to the mic placed directly at the guitar amp. I am sure that needs a lot of knowledge and experience to get it right. I just remeber a thread where Kris was about buying a new condensor mic to use a room mike for his recording. Anyway - thanks a lot for your time!
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You're welcome smile.gif

Yeah experience is key here but keep in mind this is usually prefered on bigger rooms, most bedroom sized rooms won't be much useful for such application.


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post Sep 7 2017, 08:20 AM
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I don't see any mics on the amps themselves unless I'm just not seeing them? It looks like those two mics on the table are doing all the work?


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QUOTE (Mertay @ Sep 5 2017, 11:58 AM) *
You're welcome smile.gif

Yeah experience is key here but keep in mind this is usually prefered on bigger rooms, most bedroom sized rooms won't be much useful for such application.



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 7 2017, 07:20 AM) *
I don't see any mics on the amps themselves unless I'm just not seeing them? It looks like those two mics on the table are doing all the work?


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Yeah Todd - that what it looks to me as well and that surprised me a little. But isn't the room sound the "real" sound that we hear? I rarely have my ears directly at the speaker wink.gif
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Pretty much yeah smile.gif The sound at the cone is quite different. The reason folks record that way , (with the sm57 stuck right in the cone of the speaker) is that the mic can hand lots of sound pressure and you don't miss anything with the mic that close. However it sounds very different that close than it does to your ear so the egineer has to make some adjustments to the signal i order for it to sit well in a mix.

When putting mics out front like that, you get most of what is being played but not all, this can be a good thing as small mistakes are barely heard and you can hear the guys talking as well and you get the "room tone" of the amps which is softer and more pleasing to the ear in general.

If you have more than one mic, try double micing a cab. One mic on the cab, one mic 4 feet out from the cab on a coffee table. Blend those two and you get nice tone smile.gif IF you don't have more than one mic, just try the mic on the coffee table and record (with a splitter) in to your daw which you can use a plugin to fake an amp like overloud th2/th3 guitar rig etc. Get a similar effect. smile.gif

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Yeah Todd - that what it looks to me as well and that surprised me a little. But isn't the room sound the "real" sound that we hear? I rarely have my ears directly at the speaker wink.gif



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