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post Sep 15 2017, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 14 2017, 08:16 PM) *
Here is a great article from SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN (not a pundit blog, but a publication with a long and respected history). It's an article on the connection between these Super Storms and Climate change. The connection is far more real than many folks want to acknowledge or admit. Truth is that 70 percent of green house gas emissions come from about 100 companies including folks like Exxon. They have spent billions to create a counter narrative and brainwash a huge swath of folks. As a result, between them and China/India, the problem is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better IMHO.



What We Know about the Climate Change–Hurricane Connection
Some links are indisputable; others are more subtle, but the science is improving all the time

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observ...ane-connection/

Here is a quote from the article. We can connect climate change directly to past storms.

"Furthermore, a warmer ocean surface means more moisture in the atmosphere. A fundamental rule of atmospheric thermodynamics known as the Clausius-Clapeyron equation indicates an increase of roughly 7 percent more moisture in the air for each degree Celsius of increase in sea surface temperature (SST). Global SSTs have risen now the better part of a degree C and conditions in which SSTs are several degrees C above normal are now more common as a result. Unusually warm SSTs contributed to the flooding power of both Hurricane Harvey and Hurricane Irene in 2011."

If these storms increase in activity I will have no other choice than to reconsider , But we also hit another record , the lack of a category 3 storms ( or better ) to hit the U S from Katrina till now is unprecedented
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post Sep 15 2017, 02:31 PM
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What I've heard/read is that the frequency of the cat 4 and above storms will diminish but that their severity (when they do hit) will be greater.


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post Sep 15 2017, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 15 2017, 02:31 PM) *
What I've heard/read is that the frequency of the cat 4 and above storms will diminish but that their severity (when they do hit) will be greater.

does this really meet the smell test ... come on ..

Irma was bad , it was a killer on the same scales as the rest even though it was said to be the end of Florida , and Harvey was not bad until it stalled and dumped 1 foot and a half on the same 20,000 square miles . Leaving both predictions gasping for air on the scientific floor

So forgive when I hear the above and am a little weary
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post Sep 15 2017, 09:52 PM
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What I mentioned has been a relatively long held view. And nothing radical at all. Only that there will probably not be as many storms to hit during the season but the one's that do will be 'more' severe. More severe can mean a lot of things. Maybe bigger, maybe longer lasting, maybe more water dumped. Maybe all those variables, maybe only one of them.

And I'll reiterate - the insurance companies will call the shots. You're just not gonna be able to get flood insurance in an area that has gotten the 100 years storm three or four years in a row. It's been like that out here on the coast since the late 60s. There's your free market working.

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post Sep 15 2017, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 15 2017, 09:52 PM) *
What I mentioned has been a relatively long held view. And nothing radical at all. Only that there will probably not be as many storms to hit during the season but the one's that do will be 'more' severe. More severe can mean a lot of things. Maybe bigger, maybe longer lasting, maybe more water dumped. Maybe all those variables, maybe only one of them.

And I'll reiterate - the insurance companies will call the shots. You're just not gonna be able to get flood insurance in an area that has gotten the 100 years storm three or four years in a row. It's been like that out here on the coast since the late 60s. There's your free market working.
well .. there's always the high desert
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post Sep 15 2017, 10:26 PM
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I'm not really a desert guy.
I do live a good 25 miles inland though wink.gif


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post Sep 17 2017, 05:57 AM
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As I mentioned, the warming water is making storm season worse. When get two storms of this magnitude back to back flooding big parts of texas and florida, the writing on the wall seems pretty clear. Also like I said, no reason to worry about legislation as the country lacks the political will do anything about it at present. so no need to worry that a carbon tax is coming or what not. It will just keep getting worse each year and insurance folks will have to raise rates. The cost of recovery for these two storms is well in to the Billions.


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