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post Sep 27 2017, 06:20 PM
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Hey guys.

I'm thinking of "upgrading" my 8-string guitar setup - and by that I mean selling my Ibanez RG8 and buying another 8-string. biggrin.gif

I was looking at the Ibanez RGIM8MH, but the problem is that it has Active Pickups. I think all of these 8-string guitars on Ibanez's website have the actives. I want to get away from active and get into passive again. I want more control over my sound.



My price range is hopefully around $1000+ (USD) maybe less if possible.
Any recommendations on fanned-fret, passive, extended range guitars?
Doesn't have to be Ibanez - any good company.




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post Sep 27 2017, 06:56 PM
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I wouldn't expect to have many options when it comes to 8 string guitars.

But since you're in USA, Kiesel seems to be what you'd like; https://www.kieselguitars.com/catalog/guitars/dcm8 I'd advise contacting them, maybe they might offer you something closer to your price range.


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post Sep 27 2017, 08:06 PM
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Thanks. I was thinking my options were limited for 8. Almost have to do custom. I'll check out kiesel.

Edit: wish their custom shop showed pictures to show you what you're buying

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post Sep 28 2017, 05:29 PM
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Keisel seems a little too high priced but I wonder if I was to buy that rgim8mh and later swap out for passives. I'm gonna see if that's possible.


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post Sep 28 2017, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (thefireball @ Sep 28 2017, 04:29 PM) *
Keisel seems a little too high priced but I wonder if I was to buy that rgim8mh and later swap out for passives. I'm gonna see if that's possible.


I'm not sure about that either, or even so if it will cosmetically look good. Keep your eye on the used market too, you'll never know when an oppertunity might come up.


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post Sep 29 2017, 04:27 AM
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I think for now i'm gonna keep my current 8 and install some new pickups that are passive. I guess that's really the top thing I want. Though a new guitar would be cool one day. I'm thinking I'm gonna be getting the Seymour passives: Pegasus bridge paired with the Sentient Neck. I want more note separation and not so hot of pickups. From my research today, these as a set look and sound promising, when paired with their other options. smile.gif


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post Sep 29 2017, 05:26 AM
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Probably your most practical option at this point smile.gif I tried one of the FANNED FRET 8 STRING guitars from Strictly 7 Guitars and I've tried the Fanned Fret 8 from Ibanez. Both felt different than the standard RG8 partially owing to the fanned fretting. Once you get used to it, it's fine, just takes a bit smile.gif

Going from Active to Passive is a good switch to make in that axe IMHO, HOWEVER, unless you've already bought the pickups, I'd suggest something even simpler. Having your guitar "re routed" (hopefully you won't need to) isn't free, neither is having it rewired and new pots put in for passive.

To avoid all of this and just ride the train in the direction it's heading while getting your PASSIVE PICKUP tone quality, I'd suggest the easiest plan of all. smile.gif I can speak from experience as I've done this same thing.

*BUY THE ONLY EMG PUPS THAT SOUND LIKE PASSIVES!!! These are "solderless" and I installed them in my Rusty Cooley 8 String and it made all the diferrence in the world. These are great sounding pickups that sound more like BKP than EMG imho. It took about 5 minutes.

here is the Bridge. EMG 57-8
http://www.emgpickups.com/guitar/7-and-8-and-9-string.html
this unique combination of Alnico V magnets and steel pole pieces evoke an unmistakably PAF quality in its tone, yet the active attributes provide the headroom and punch necessary to deliver unparalleled definition and presence. Designed and voiced specifically for the bridge position of your 8 string electric guitar (extended series cap 4 x 1.5 inch). The solderless installation makes this pickup easy to install at home.

and the neck 66-8
http://www.emgpickups.com/guitar/7-and-8-a.../66-8.html#info
Alnico V magnets provide a warm, smooth mid-range and expansive lows while the ceramic pole pieces balance out the clarity in the upper register. Designed and voiced as a neck pickup, the 66-8 is housed in an eight string extended series cap (4 x 1.5 inch). EMG's solderless installation makes changing your pickups easier than ever.

***Both of these pups have ALNICO mags in them instead of Ceramic, this creates a much more passive feel to them and gives them a wad of dynamics that are not there in your typical 88. I've tried this set and it breathes new life in to any instrument shackled with bad pickups. The RG8 has pickups made by CORT that are actually BASS GUITAR pickups. Uggh.

You can find these EMG pups as a set and save a little cash. Also you can make the swap yourself. It's two screws and one push in cable. That's it. No luthier needed.


Here is a pic after I put the 57-8 in my cooley 8 string. You can tell by the exposed pole pieces, which I thought looked cool as a bonus smile.gif Was a very easy install. Took less time/effort than changing strings!

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QUOTE (thefireball @ Sep 28 2017, 11:27 PM) *
I think for now i'm gonna keep my current 8 and install some new pickups that are passive. I guess that's really the top thing I want. Though a new guitar would be cool one day. I'm thinking I'm gonna be getting the Seymour passives: Pegasus bridge paired with the Sentient Neck. I want more note separation and not so hot of pickups. From my research today, these as a set look and sound promising, when paired with their other options. smile.gif


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post Sep 29 2017, 01:09 PM
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Hey Brandon! Hope things are good with you mate!!
You could try Agile Guitars!
There's a Fanned Fret Passive 8 Stringer HERE


There is a Non-tremolo version but it's loaded with Active 909's (EMG).


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post Sep 29 2017, 10:08 PM
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I went ahead and bought SD Pegasus and Sentient set for my 8. Shouldn't be a problem to install passives because this guitar used to be passive. It was only made into active with a battery. I don't recall the luthier installing new pots. I'm gonna try to install them myself.

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post Sep 29 2017, 10:30 PM
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In that case have a look at THIS ONE!!!


Nope, you're right, you shouldn't need new pots and just disconnect the Battery hook-up!
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post Sep 30 2017, 05:11 AM
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CONGRATS on your pickup choice! Those are "The" Duncan Set of the Moment. IMHO for ERG players. They combine some of the best elements of the entire Duncan Line for the purposes of ERG players doing heavy stuff. They are still flexible, pups, but they are really built to make METAL imho so they do it really really well!

Just make sure the pots are for passives not actives and then you can install away smile.gif if it's your first set, you may end up soldering bits by accident but this is a good learning bootcamp for wiring pickups. You won't make the same mistake twice. If you've done it in the past then you should be fine smile.gif

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I went ahead and bought SD Pegasus and Sentient set for my 8. Shouldn't be a problem to install passives because this guitar used to be passive. It was only made into active with a battery. I don't recall the luthier installing new pots. I'm gonna try to install them myself.


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post Oct 4 2017, 05:56 PM
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I learned a valuable lesson in researching before you buy. The other night I tried installing the pickups into my RG8 and realized they were the wrong style. I bought the passive mount instead of the active mount. I later found out, when I actually clicked on the active mount option, that active mount is just the way they sit in the body - not that they are active pickups. See, I thought they had some passive and active versions that were separate from the each other. So now I have to wait again until the exchange is processed. I called Seymour Duncan - really nice service - and initiated the exchange after I told them what happened. All I had to do was pay $11 return shipping. Not bad at all - just gotta wait now. smile.gif Research!


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