Are Jazz Guitarists Way Better Than Rock Guitarists? |
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Oct 1 2017, 09:42 PM
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I've found this question at a forum from my country and I thought that it would be interesting to see what GMCers think about this...
Are jazz guitarists way better than rock guitarists? -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 2 2017, 02:17 AM
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Of course
 I'm kidding. Two different skill sets. The guys and gals who are truly great are the ones who can do both 'convincingly'. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 2 2017, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 1 2017, 10:17 PM)  Of course I'm kidding. Two different skill sets. The guys and gals who are truly great are the ones who can do both 'convincingly'.  I agree. By the way, I like when rock guitarist get influenced by advanced blues and jazz player regarding improvisation and following the chords concepts. I remember Andy Timmons, and Mike Stern saying that learning jazz was a total open minder for improvisation. QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Oct 2 2017, 09:44 AM) Who's better, Left Handers or Right Handers?  It's all subjective, as Ken says, different Skill Sets. I would put this in there though, I would suggest that the Jazzers would be better Theorists. (Especially with their Arcane Knowledge of Tritone Substitution!)  hahaha I thought that Left handers were better! -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 2 2017, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Oct 2 2017, 04:11 PM) Is Lil Wayne a Lefty????  I hope that not! -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 3 2017, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 2 2017, 11:19 PM) I hope that not!
-------------------- I'd rather have a full Bottle in front of me than a full Frontal Lobotomy!!
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Oct 3 2017, 05:01 PM
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Actually Lil Wayne can shred with both hands like Michael Angelo Batio. He's currently working with Ibanez on a four neck guitar so he add shredding with his feet at the same time
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Oct 3 2017, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 3 2017, 01:01 PM) Actually Lil Wayne can shred with both hands like Michael Angelo Batio. He's currently working with Ibanez on a four neck guitar so he add shredding with his feet at the same time I can't wait to see that! hahah -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 4 2017, 02:11 AM
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At this point I'd like to interject that only 'bad' jazz guitarists don't work on tone and only 'bad' jazz guitarists are too theoretically minded when they play. The good ones, and I'll be more than happy to list them if requested, have a great (and varied) sound and can be incredibly creative, musically elusive and 'off the cuff' when it's called for. And going to college has absolutely nothing to do with it - good or bad.
All of the above applies to rock guitarists as well and keep in mind the aesthetics of the two are very different. What a jazz fan may see/hear as 'adventurous' or unexpected may completely pass by the rock fan, and vice versa. It's two different sides of the same coin. You're either good at music or you're not. Tone, taste, musicality, technique, presentation ... it's all part of it. This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 4 2017, 02:19 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 4 2017, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Oct 3 2017, 07:12 PM) So since I "know" jazz and play rock, does that make me the best guitarist in the world? hell no! Guthrie? Are you there??? QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 3 2017, 10:11 PM) All of the above applies to rock guitarists as well and keep in mind the aesthetics of the two are very different. What a jazz fan may see/hear as 'adventurous' or unexpected may completely pass by the rock fan, and vice versa. It's two different sides of the same coin. That's so right! It took me some time to value the "adventrutous" side of jazz guitarists. It didn't happen in my early teen days when I was into rock and metal. Then, players like (in this gradual order) Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, John Scofield made me start to understand why good jazz guitarists were that good. -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 6 2017, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 6 2017, 04:08 AM) And listing guitarists is more than appreciated here  +1 to this!! -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 6 2017, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 6 2017, 12:08 AM) I guess a bit of musical conservatism is embedded in the term jazz. Jazz guitarists that are more innovative with their sound often fall into the fusion category. And listing guitarists is more than appreciated here I guess it depends on what type of 'sound' you're referring to. The guys that employ OD are usually in the fusion camp but straight up Jazz guys can be tone focused as well. Here's a list with album recs ... Grant Green - Green Street Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery Pat Martino - El Hombre (or Consciousness) Barney Kessel - Autumn Leaves Jim Hall - Jazz Guitar Johnny smith - The sound of Johhny Smith George Benson - Breezin' (sort of fusion but super clean tone) John McLaughlin - After the Rain Pat Metheny - Water Colors Here's a good start but honestly, it's kind of endless. This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 6 2017, 04:24 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 6 2017, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 6 2017, 11:15 AM) I guess it depends on what type of 'sound' you're referring to. The guys that employ OD are usually in the fusion camp but straight up Jazz guys can be tone focused as well. Here's a list with album recs ... Grant Green - Green Street Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery Pat Martino - El Hombre (or Consciousness) Barney Kessel - Autumn Leaves Jim Hall - Jazz Guitar Johnny smith - The sound of Johhny Smith George Benson - Breezin' (sort of fusion but super clean tone) Here's a good start but onestly, it's kind of endless. Great list! Top level. I've heard most of these ones. -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 6 2017, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 6 2017, 07:40 AM) Great list! Top level. I've heard most of these ones. I added these two ... John McLaughlin - After the Rain Pat Metheny - Water Colors *Important to understand too is that it's 'Jazz guitar' which means that tone is absolutely in the hands and there's not too much variation. The gear is minimal: Archtop, usually a Gibson and either a Fender or Gibson tube amp of medium wattage. It's a genre. If you don't dig the sound of relatively mid focused, clean, stringy guitar - then you're not gonna hear the subtle differences between players. This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 6 2017, 04:33 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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