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post Oct 6 2017, 09:30 PM
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at 10:00 I literally craped my pants
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post Oct 13 2017, 09:11 PM
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At 10:15, I literally crapped my pants TWICE ohmy.gif


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post Oct 14 2017, 05:12 PM
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Yeah! He is a monster! I've seen the whole video and the talk is very interesting. They talk about how humble most of the greatest guitarists are (with obvious exceptions), about Guthrie Govan, Tommy Emmanuele, John Petrucci, and the fact that no matter how good you are, there will be always someone better.

On a similar topic, with the addition of "be yourself", I consider this talk very interesting:



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post Oct 14 2017, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 14 2017, 06:12 PM) *
Yeah! He is a monster! I've seen the whole video and the talk is very interesting. They talk about how humble most of the greatest guitarists are (with obvious exceptions), about Guthrie Govan, Tommy Emmanuele, John Petrucci, and the fact that no matter how good you are, there will be always someone better.


I only saw parts of the video, I am not sure I agree that most great [new] guitarists are humble. Sure there is a Swedish A-hole who has shown us where the bottom is.

However I notice a lot of youtube stars who sure are polite when being interviewed (that's a bare minimum to me) - but as far as I can see many of them are sniffy towards beginners and I think I can see they feel they should be treated more like rock stars.


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post Oct 14 2017, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 14 2017, 01:56 PM) *
I only saw parts of the video, I am not sure I agree that most great [new] guitarists are humble. Sure there is a Swedish A-hole who has shown us where the bottom is.

However I notice a lot of youtube stars who sure are polite when being interviewed (that's a bare minimum to me) - but as far as I can see many of them are sniffy towards beginners and I think I can see they feel they should be treated more like rock stars.



yeah, I don't disagree at all. In their video they reffer to guys like Guthrie, Petrucci, Tommy Emmanuele saying that they could meet them, and that they are really nice and humble persons. I think that they were refering those those level of guitarists.


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post Oct 15 2017, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 14 2017, 07:20 PM) *
yeah, I don't disagree at all. In their video they reffer to guys like Guthrie, Petrucci, Tommy Emmanuele saying that they could meet them, and that they are really nice and humble persons. I think that they were refering those those level of guitarists.


So basically they're saying established guitarists are humble because they meet the young and promising guitarists?

I should probably watch the whole thing but at this point I can't help but feel it's got hypocrisy written all over it.


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post Oct 15 2017, 02:11 PM
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Players such as Tommy Emmanuel or John Petrucci or Scott Henderson, etc., et al are not humble because "there are always younger and better players coming up". They have nothing to be concerned about regarding their gig or their place in guitar history. They're at the place they are because they are creative musically and have a unique voice (not just technically) on the instrument. They're also cognizant enough to realize that part of their 'making it' has to do with the fact that they're comfortable in their own uniqueness. They also got to and maintain that position precisely because they're not assholes. It's all circular.

There is ALWAYS 'younger/faster' looming around the corner but younger and more (or even equally) musical and creative is significantly more rarefied.



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post Oct 15 2017, 07:11 PM
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Ken - maybe I am misinterpreting the word.

To me humble is something you strive to be, just like you want to be a sympathetic human being - it has nothing to with your musical accomplishments.


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post Oct 15 2017, 11:40 PM
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Yeah, but in my experience it's usually the lesser players that have the attitude, humility and ego problems. The truly great ones are humble human beings because they're comfortable with who they are (as musicians) and they've stopped competing with anyone (except maybe themselves). They were probably always humble and gracious and as I say, that quality has helped them become the great artists that they are.

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post Oct 16 2017, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 16 2017, 12:40 AM) *
Yeah, but in my experience it's usually the lesser players that have the attitude, humility and ego problems. The truly great ones are humble human beings because they're comfortable with who they are (as musicians) and they've stopped competing with anyone (except maybe themselves). They were probably always humble and gracious and as I say, that quality has helped become the great artists that they are.


Couldn't agree more! I guess it's the 'not' here that confused me:

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Players such as Tommy Emmanuel or John Petrucci or Scott Henderson, etc., et al are not humble because "there are always younger and better players coming up".



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post Oct 16 2017, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 15 2017, 07:40 PM) *
Yeah, but in my experience it's usually the lesser players that have the attitude, humility and ego problems. The truly great ones are humble human beings because they're comfortable with who they are (as musicians) and they've stopped competing with anyone (except maybe themselves). They were probably always humble and gracious and as I say, that quality has helped them become the great artists that they are.


I also agree with this and also with this:

"They're at the place they are because they are creative musically and have a unique voice (not just technically) on the instrument. They're also cognisant enough to realise that part of their 'making it' has to do with the fact that they're comfortable in their own uniqueness."

In the second video, Pete Thorn gets into this concept of "own uniqueness", and talks from his own experience about being the "best you" that you can and not feeling bad by finding new guitarists better than us every day. They also discuss about the experience of becoming a Guitar Youtuber, and how Pete organises his video tests.

This video is also related to it:





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post Oct 16 2017, 08:19 PM
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That's one for the inspirational video of the day in your area Gab. That man is an inspiration anyway, I love his attitude smile.gif


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 16 2017, 04:19 PM) *
That's one for the inspirational video of the day in your area Gab. That man is an inspiration anyway, I love his attitude smile.gif



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post Oct 17 2017, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 15 2017, 01:11 PM) *
Ken - maybe I am misinterpreting the word.

To me humble is something you strive to be, just like you want to be a sympathetic human being - it has nothing to with your musical accomplishments.


I read you. I learned the things you have spoken of recently, through the love of a woman who understands those things herself. In fact I would say that those people with the highest self esteem are the ones who are the most humble in general.

I realize that my guitar playing is only at my best when I have the mindset you describe. Technical skill yes, the more the better. But unless a person strives to a person as you describe, well one might as well listen to this as such a person.


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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 16 2017, 11:07 PM) *
I realize that my guitar playing is only at my best when I have the mindset you describe.



What's the mindset you are reffering too?


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post Oct 20 2017, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 17 2017, 03:52 PM) *
What's the mindset you are reffering too?


I am guessing a mindset where the goal is not to be the "best" guitarist in the world (whatever that means) but rather make music as a humble human being. Not the most concise advice but well worth considering cool.gif


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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 20 2017, 04:24 AM) *
I am guessing a mindset where the goal is not to be the "best" guitarist in the world (whatever that means) but rather make music as a humble human being. Not the most concise advice but well worth considering cool.gif



Yeah, that should be our goal as musicians. Trying to be the best one can take us nowhere because there will always be a better player (and I also wonder what does "better" mean in art?) , but it can work for practice motivation.


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 17 2017, 01:51 AM) *
Yes, it is!


To clarify, I did mean THIS video. I love Rabea cool.gif


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