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post Oct 11 2017, 07:24 PM
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https://soundcloud.com/gitarg-nl-kleri/vaigt1

So first I used an analyzer to analyze this;



I only analyzed (analyzer set to average) the first 30-40 seconds as he almost plays the same thing, this is the result;

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Then I went to my rig, my pedals and the boss gt1. All distortion was coming from the pedals, the solo tone I've been using for a long time so I never touched the pedal settings.

I first foud the delay and hint of reverb by ear on the gt1, then experimented with amps and cab.s. With each amp or cab. that I thought was close (tried 2 amps and 3 cab.s I think...it took a while...), I opened an analyzer and played the riff.

When I got remotly close with an amp+cab. then I opened an extra eq and tried to get as close as possible to the tracks original analyzed responce. Finally I grabbed the backing track from youtube and recorded this. The more I played the same thing more I sucked so excuse the playing biggrin.gif

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post Oct 11 2017, 07:33 PM
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I'm impressed! You are very close. I feel that your tone is lacking some boost around 3k/5k, comparing it with the original sound. Don't you think so?

But the overall feel is very close!


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post Oct 11 2017, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 11 2017, 06:33 PM) *
I'm impressed! You are very close. I feel that your tone is lacking some boost around 3k/5k, comparing it with the original sound. Don't you think so?

But the overall feel is very close!


Thanks! smile.gif

Yeah I think I made the reverb tail too long and thats what caused it, funny enough I actually used the plate reverb on the gt1 cause the hall or spring aren't so good to my ears smile.gif

Aside that, also with the album the guitar tone sounded a bit darker to me. I also tried jamming with this tone and even this one is super bright when testing on various youtube backing tracks.

My plan is to further tweak the modulation a bit more but later on probably just add some bass and use it as my everyday shred tone. Originally my idea was to get close to a solo tone I liked as close as possible then personalize it to my needs.



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post Oct 11 2017, 09:21 PM
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What a fun experiment, and great playing!


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post Oct 11 2017, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 11 2017, 08:21 PM) *
What a fun experiment, and great playing!


Thanks smile.gif

I probably played that part for nearly 20 times when trying eq stuff, one would think I should have gotten better but it got worse with every take laugh.gif


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post Oct 11 2017, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 11 2017, 06:33 PM) *
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Lesson learned, don't use stereo delay with stereo reverb on sustaining distortion smile.gif

I think depending on how long I hold a note, phase issues happened. I made the reverb mono, this helped a bit but not perfect...this is why a good digital reverb is expensive I guess smile.gif

for personal use, I'll probably adjust the processor to toggle between a big delay and reverb but not both. To my knowledge most shredders don't use any reverb when soloing anyway...


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post Oct 12 2017, 01:51 AM
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NICE!!! You NAILED the vibe of the VAI tone. Which is NOT easy at all IMHO. Many folks try, most folks fail. You didn't so super congrats there smile.gif GABE has a great point per usual in that steve and many guitarists give a bump at 3 and 5k to get the guitar tone to "cut" through the mix a bit better. Even on the neck pickup.

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post Oct 12 2017, 06:29 AM
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Ive been flipping between the album version and your version.... man, that sounds ridiculously close! Really impressive work smile.gif


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post Oct 12 2017, 03:33 PM
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Thanks again for the feedback and replys, if I go back to tweaking a bit further I'll share here again smile.gif


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post Oct 12 2017, 04:54 PM
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Are you using the same pickups as vai btw? Also can you share that patch?


QUOTE (Mertay @ Oct 12 2017, 10:33 AM) *
Thanks again for the feedback and replys, if I go back to tweaking a bit further I'll share here again smile.gif



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post Oct 12 2017, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 12 2017, 03:54 PM) *
Are you using the same pickups as vai btw? Also can you share that patch?


I can tell you its nothing like steve's 7 string smile.gif a mahogany ibanez, dimarzio air norton and tonezone (currently stock but opened them up a bunch of times and this changed their sound, I modify them whenever I get bored smile.gif ) with all electronics replaced biggrin.gif

All the distortion is coming from an ehx glove boosting a metalzone but I guess the mt-2 alone should work fine too. If anyone has a mt-2 with a boss gt-1 (maybe gt100 can work too, not sure), I'll gladly share the preset settings. The mt-2 in the gt processors didn't do it for me.

But what I can say is don't mind the comments about the mt-2 on the internet and the one I use I got for peanuts and probably I'm the 5-6th owner biggrin.gif most struggle with its eq but finding the right settings as can be heard is very rewarding!


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post Oct 15 2017, 10:58 PM
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Quick update, I tried to get the highs better but couldn't nail it to sound like the album although the analyzer was showing close results.

I also kept hearing a chorus like fx on the album but couldn't get the chorus to sound like it...anyway turns out it was a stereo widener adjusted so "wide" that it has a huge impact on the tone.

Since the processor doesn't have a widener this is the end for me on experimenting. Was fun and I got a really cool solo tone as reference to create more presets smile.gif

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