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post Oct 26 2017, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 26 2017, 08:44 AM) *
So are you saying it might be a veneer on top of a maple cap on top of mahogany body? If so that is alright by me.

I am just worried it is mahogany + veneer (with no real cap).

the ibanez forums, from a while ago :
"It would be a veneer of Maple or Bubinga on the Mahogany body"

"The AR guitars have a veneer of REAL wood. It isn't a large piece of Maple or Bubinga that could be considered a "cap". So the top of the guitar is not a fake wood, or something printed to look like flamed maple or bubinga, it is ACTUAL wood. The piece used on the top is smaller than a cap and will affect the sound less than a cap would."

If its a deal breaker, might be worth an email.


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post Oct 26 2017, 01:20 PM
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Ok cool - this is what i suspected.

I am not quite ready to pull the trigger. But yes - to me this would be a deal breaker. A thick maple cap is part of the Les Paul sound to me.


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post Oct 26 2017, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Oct 26 2017, 04:28 AM) *
The piece used on the top is smaller than a cap and will affect the sound less than a cap would."[/b]


That's a backwards way of saying it for sure.
As Kris mentioned, the maple cap or top on a mahogany body (LP, PRS, etc.) is absolutely part of the sound. It's what gives the bit of snap and note definition to an otherwise darker sounding axe.

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post Oct 26 2017, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 26 2017, 02:57 PM) *
That's a backwards way of saying it for sure.

d'you think these guys know exactly how thick the (real wood!) veneer is but just try to answer without really saying it, isnt a veneer like about 1mm or less?
reading between the lines are they just basically saying " it has a 1mm veneer on top of the mahogany body"


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post Oct 26 2017, 04:07 PM
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Veneer is thin and primarily decorative whether it be on furniture or a guitar. It's a way of making a cheap piece of wood (or any other material) look better.
They can spin it all they want.

Nothing wrong with all mahogany guitars. LP specials and juniors, Firebirds, SGs, are all mahogany bodies and they sound great. Firebirds are bright as fuck - but that's more due to their hardware, body thickness, neck/headstock and pickups. Angus Young is an SG player and his tone is pretty balls to the wall but again, an SG is a unique animal due to it's overall construction.

A solid mahogany body with a maple cap of around 12.7mms is the standard bearer of hard rock - Les Paul. It takes all that cool grind, balls and warmth of the mahogany and adds some definition in the bass and touch of high end snap.

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post Oct 26 2017, 04:30 PM
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Very hard to guess on pictures but if you guys ever bump into one (it was very popular), this and similar indo ibanez guitars are a good example of thin but nicely applied veneer;



When changing angle, the flame visually stays the same. With real maple caps (no matter the brand though Gibson LP's are a bit better at this) you should see the flame change shape...the reason is thin wood can't soak properly or enough paint to give that visual depth. But if the veneer gets thicker then paper it gets tricky and you'll need spec. info.

Also just for info; thick maple seriously increases the guitars weight so if you have back pain issues, keep in mind.


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post Oct 27 2017, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 26 2017, 03:57 PM) *
That's a backwards way of saying it for sure.
As Kris mentioned, the maple cap or top on a mahogany body (LP, PRS, etc.) is absolutely part of the sound. It's what gives the bit of snap and note definition to an otherwise darker sounding axe.


Agreed - and marketing a guitar as an LP alternative without a real maple cap does not feel completely honest. The cap is def there for a reason.


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