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Phil66
post Nov 22 2017, 10:32 PM
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While I''ve been jamming along to the track mentioned HERE I came up with something to help me expand the scale along the fretboard a little bit without learning new shapes. It's only a basic idea, but it might help some of you at a similar level to me. Please, if any instructors can see this as a big fail, say so huh.gif

Okay, taking the diagram below, obviously there are octaves of notes available within that scale pattern. What I've been doing is thinking about where the octave notes are out side of that pattern so that i can venture out of the box. See the further images below to see what I mean. As you're jamming along, you can select a couple of those notes and gradually build up to more and more.

I know Kris doesn't really agree with box shape learning but I think this is kind of a hybrid of what he and Gab explain in THIS thread. It's a bit of a cheat BUT, it might help those, like me, with limited time, to expand their range along the fretboard without learning more shapes.

So there you have it, a simple way for us beginners to expand the notes available when knowing only that one box shape. Feel free to experiment by throwing other notes in there, you'll start to feel what works and what doesn't. Basically, using this method you have created three of the pentatonic box shapes and could take it further. this will work with any scale pattern you learn and I;ve found it great when practising improvising.











The D on the 3rd fret on the B string here, won't be as obvious to those that haven't studied the octave notes very much yet. The ones added previous to this follow the two across two along method.


Same here, but you could omit these two D and G notes for the time being and extend on the G, D, A and low E strings towards the nut and the D, G, B and high E towards the bridge.


The same goes for this D as the D added on the 3rd fret B string.


This G follows the same principle as the D above.










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Hi Phil, thanks for sharing your approach to expanding the scale boxes.

It sounds reasonable and I think that it's a good idea to expand gradually the fretboard knowledge. Keep practicing!



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Thanks Gab,

I found it useful when using that long backing track, you can be noodling in the box you know and be looking at the fretboard working out the octave notes that you can use to come up with some different licks. The ones most people know are the "L" shaped ones (across two strings and along two or three frets). That's enough to start with and does give quite a bit of extension to the scale.

I hope it helps some people here smile.gif


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Phil I think this looks great - just the kind of gradual expansion of fretboard visualisation [is that a fancy expression or what?] I would recommend - very useful thread!

It would be interesting to know if this helps others as well.


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Thanks Kris,

The next stage would be to learn which extra notes are needed to make that first box shape be the full minor scale, I don't know what is called but the one that has the same notes as C major. Then you can work the octave notes from that.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 23 2017, 11:14 PM) *
Thanks Kris,

The next stage would be to learn which extra notes are needed to make that first box shape be the full minor scale, I don't know what is called but the one that has the same notes as C major. Then you can work the octave notes from that.


Exactly! That's exactly how I would go about it. It's called the A minor scale or A Aeolian mode (its the same thing)


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Thanks Kris, I didn't know if it would be natural, harmonic or melodic minor unsure.gif smile.gif


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 25 2017, 11:27 AM) *
Thanks Kris, I didn't know if it would be natural, harmonic or melodic minor unsure.gif smile.gif


Just to confuse you more, those are 3 different ones. Once you've got the hang of natural minor, I'd go for harmonic minor then melodic minor wink.gif


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 25 2017, 01:54 PM) *
Just to confuse you more, those are 3 different ones. Once you've got the hang of natural minor, I'd go for harmonic minor then melodic minor wink.gif

Yeah, I knew they are three different ones but I didn't know which one I was using wink.gif I know C major and A minor have the same notes but I didn't know what kind of minor it is smile.gif


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