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Gabriel Leopardi
post Jan 8 2018, 02:58 PM
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I've seen this talk yesterday. We've talked here about the 10000 hours, and we always talk about focus, practice, goals. I'd like to know what you think of this theory explained by Josh Kaufman.






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post Jan 8 2018, 03:11 PM
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Most abused thing in guitar learning smile.gif

Teacher gives "smells like teen spirit", student likes how fast he got to "play guitar" and keeps requesting the easy way out...


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post Jan 8 2018, 03:24 PM
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I like his 3rd point. "Remove distractions: Internet, TV etc". I know this for a fact that when they are not "distracting" me, I get better and more concentrated practice.

I'm still watching this by the way.


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post Jan 8 2018, 09:43 PM
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Very interesting but distracting too laugh.gif


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post Jan 8 2018, 09:56 PM
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All true, but really ... did anybody need to tell you this?

Work on something for several hours over a few days without wasting your time on unnecessary bullshit (vid games, internet, net flix, drinking, smoking weed, etc.) until you feel that you kinda get it and are comfortable reproducing the intended results.
Duh.
Not rocket science.

Also, I observe that what a lot folks think of as 'good' or even just good enough - actually isn't.

Most Ted Talks make me ill.

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post Jan 9 2018, 09:48 AM
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I always wondered the same thing as Ken: Why people need somebody to tell them obvious things?
Are a bunch of people who pay a lot of money to go at some courses where they not learn more than logical things.
Making a parallel, I had the same question about the manuals of home stuffs (fridges, air conditioner, etc) where we find wrote obvious things and I received the most priceless answer ever: "Because some people would sue them for not writing "you can't do that". This is how fools avoid natural selection" laugh.gif


Returning at the main topic, from my point of view, people who has other vision/thinking, has different needs (much complex targets, high ideals, etc) will never stay with the eyes on watch, counting in how many hours they will learn a certain thing. They want to learn that thing, no matter if this will be made in 20 hours or in 20 years.
Some people (usually the people who believe and search for shortcuts) has simple targets and sometimes they need a "smart guy" who can make money learning them "how to play a song in 20 hours".
The funny thing is that the ones who has simple targets are much happy because the chance to succeed is much bigger wink.gif

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post Jan 9 2018, 02:22 PM
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I think that this video is related to those things that are not our main passion but that would make us happy to try. I personally like Ted's talks. It's true that some of them seem obvious, but every person is different and something that is obvious for us (we have clearer passions and goals) can be the opposite for someone else who is blocked and don't have clear goals in his life.

The video that I've shared is clearly not directed for musicians, it's for people who never get into music but that would feel happier by playing some songs.

These are some more musical Ted's talk that I've enjoyed. The message could be obvious for some, but I loved how these talks has been done and organized, mostly the second one by Mark Ronson which is conceptually brilliant.





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post Jan 9 2018, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jan 9 2018, 01:48 AM) *
Returning at the main topic, from my point of view, people who has other vision/thinking, has different needs (much complex targets, high ideals, etc) will never stay with the eyes on watch, counting in how many hours they will learn a certain thing. They want to learn that thing, no matter if this will be made in 20 hours or in 20 years.
Some people (usually the people who believe and search for shortcuts) has simple targets and sometimes they need a "smart guy" who can make money learning them "how to play a song in 20 hours".
The funny thing is that the ones who has simple targets are much happy because the chance to succeed is much bigger wink.gif


Beautifully said Monica.


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post Jan 9 2018, 08:02 PM
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He must have spent at least 20 hours practising how to pronounce the word 'ukulele'. It was a flawless pronunciation, Im glad he said it so many times smile.gif

I did like the part about 'learning enough to self correct'.


QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 8 2018, 08:56 PM) *
wasting your time on unnecessary bullshit (vid games, internet, net flix, drinking, smoking weed, etc.)

it's such a pity that all those things are great biggrin.gif


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post Jan 10 2018, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Jan 9 2018, 04:02 PM) *
it's such a pity that all those things are great biggrin.gif


and you can learn to do them in 20 seconds. laugh.gif


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Well, it might be true that you can learn a few chords and chime along in 20 hours. But that's not exctly what I'd consider "Learning something". A first step, maybe.


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post Jan 20 2018, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 8 2018, 03:24 PM) *
I like his 3rd point. "Remove distractions: Internet, TV etc". I know this for a fact that when they are not "distracting" me, I get better and more concentrated practice.

I'm still watching this by the way.


I've got this add-on for my browser called "Leech Block". I'd have told you about it several hours ago but I block the entire internet (apart from work essential websites & email) with a 64 random digit code to unlock. I set it to from 12 midnight until 8pm the next day 6 days a week apart from Sunday.

Especially the internet I find. There's always stuff that incenses me and if I look into it, I'll be there an hour later even deeper reading about how 97% of the money in the UK economy is debt on a computer screen or what tax payers money is wasted on and things like that.

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