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post Aug 10 2018, 08:31 PM
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How did such a sweet, humble, almost shy bloke like this play with such intensity, his guitar, particularly on the Tribute Live Album sounds like a tortured screaming fire breathing dragon.

https://youtu.be/iQZQFuD3MNc




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post Aug 10 2018, 10:51 PM
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Awesome video. I've always watched him playing but never talking. He seemed to be a nice guy, it's a pity that he left being so young.



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post Aug 12 2018, 10:08 AM
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Yeah he seems so very humble and almost timid. Totally the opposite of his playing.


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post Mar 22 2019, 08:40 PM
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Interesting little video featuring Mr Vai wink.gif

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Was it Randy who used to triple track his guitar solos?

I think I recall Pete Thorn mentioning it


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post Mar 29 2019, 05:45 PM
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Probably but it's his live sound on Tribute that I find incredible wink.gif


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post Mar 29 2019, 07:43 PM
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He played LOUD which is why you can sometimes hear a bit of feedback between notes in a solo. Marshall amps can sound really good when pushed to the edge. Also, in a live recording, the engineer somtimes puts up an ambient mic to catch crowd noise and some of the ambience of the pa in the room. This creates a natural room reverb. His tone has a good bit of bite so it's able to cut through and with a bit of room reverb and a cranked marshall, you get BIIIIIGGG TOOOOOONE. smile.gif
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So how do I get it on my Helix? wink.gif


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post Mar 29 2019, 11:12 PM
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Less gain than you think and more mids.

If you've never owned or at least gotten to play through a 50 or 100 watt non MV Marshall (or Laney or Sound City or whatever) turned up past 6 ... you need to. It will make things like getting 'that' sound a lot more understandable. It'll also make it clear as to how uncontrollable, out of control (and glorious) playing at that volume, with that sound can be.

You can't duplicate the massiveness of a live recording in software but if you can find the appropriate amp model plus the right reverb patch you'll get close ... providing you play like RR.

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Cheers Ken, I know it will be hard getting that tone from Helix, would be awesome though wink.gif


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Ken's spot on per usual smile.gif Less gain more volume and more room tone is sorta where you are trying to get to. A lot of his tone of course is his hand. He had a fairly intense picking hand which helps act like a clean boost. So maybe start with a Marshall tube half stack and find a good room reverb and back off the gain, up the volume on the head and use a clean boost tube screamer low gain high volume. Then tweak the mids so the tone jumps to the front of a given mix.

If you never had had the chance to "Ride the Lightning" and try to tame a Marshall stack without a noise gate, it's worth doing. It's like riding a bull. It does what it wants and you are just along for the ride any time your volume is wide open. The thump can be felt in your chest and your ears sizzle a bit since the sound pressure is actually causing a bit of damage. It's a humbling experience.
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Cheers Ken, I know it will be hard getting that tone from Helix, would be awesome though wink.gif
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