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Phil66
post Feb 22 2019, 09:08 PM
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Hello folks,

I'm really really struggling to hold down the barre chords using this shape:

----3----
----6----
----4----
----3----
----5----
----3----


Here is a video of me trying to build the chord. This was a few weeks back and I'm no better now.

https://youtu.be/fWulpz-BpfY


Any tips/hints/advice you can give will be great, thanks.

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post Feb 22 2019, 09:46 PM
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Can't tell from the video, but how is your thumb placed on the neck? And have you tried experimenting with moving the thumb too, as well as the 1st finger you use for barring?

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post Feb 22 2019, 10:00 PM
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Thanks Ben,

Thumb is in classical position on back of neck, I've tried all sorts of positions for my index finger.


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post Feb 23 2019, 07:20 AM
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That's what's called "flat out difficult" so I"m not surprised it's a bit challenging. Your first finger seems to be perhaps to high E.G. Sticking over the top of the neck. Maybe try altering the angle so that your first finger/tip rests on the E string. I always found chords like that easier to play on my Ibby.
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Thanks Ben,

Thumb is in classical position on back of neck, I've tried all sorts of positions for my index finger.


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post Feb 23 2019, 01:06 PM
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Get your index finger jammed up against the 3rd fret and use the edge of it more.

A good way to practice this is to put your index finger flat on the top of the fret and then roll it back onto its side just behind the fret. Then make sure all strings are sounding clearly and then add the other fingers.


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post Feb 23 2019, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 23 2019, 12:06 PM) *
Get your index finger jammed up against the 3rd fret and use the edge of it more.

A good way to practice this is to put your index finger flat on the top of the fret and then roll it back onto its side just behind the fret. Then make sure all strings are sounding clearly and then add the other fingers.


Thanks buddy,

I can get them ringing with just the index finger, it's when I add the other fingers. I'm OK with E shape barre chords but this is another matter.

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post Feb 23 2019, 03:40 PM
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Is it the pressure on the index finger that causes the issue or the placement of the other fingers? If that makes sense. I mean, does the string not ring out because something gets muted unwanted by another finger or because of the lack of "strength" in lack of a better word here?


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post Feb 23 2019, 03:58 PM
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The D string and high E string get muted by the index finger lifting. For some reason the strength isn't improving unless it's some biomechanical issue unsure.gif


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post Feb 23 2019, 06:49 PM
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Have you been doing the finger snap workout I used to show on vid chat? It's just another way to add finger power. Just bring your first two fingers to touch your thumb and repeat. Once it makes a snapping sound, you've arrived smile.gif
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 23 2019, 05:49 PM) *
Have you been doing the finger snap workout I used to show on vid chat? It's just another way to add finger power. Just bring your first two fingers to touch your thumb and repeat. Once it makes a snapping sound, you've arrived smile.gif

Can you show the video please buddy. I'm hoping this is strength and not biomechanical.

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post Feb 23 2019, 09:12 PM
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Hey Phil. This is how it looks from my point of view when I use that shape. I don't have the tip of my index finger hanging over the edge of the fretboard like you do and my index is actually on kind of an angle where the tip is basically right on top of the fret itself and the upper part of the finger actually angles up the fretboard a bit.
Having said that, I am not so sure that what you are doing is wrong and it sounds pretty close in your second demo vid. I think everyones hand may look a little different when making this chord shape. It may just come down to the need for repetition. It is just one of those shapes that takes some time to play cleanly and to be able to switch to and from quickly and cleanly. Practice practice practice and don't press too hard as to not strain your hand. Keep at it and it will come smile.gif
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Thanks Rich,

Been trying since end of last year. I though maybe my hand could never do it. It's hard to not put much pressure on because my hands is so tense because of the unusual shape.

Thanks for your help though.


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post Feb 24 2019, 02:26 AM
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Sure thing bud! Here is a video demo. Give this a try. It's a great way to work up your finger power. Most symphony and classical players can do this and make it pop on the first try. We guitar players usually have to work up to it.



P.S. FINGER POWER CHALLENGE!!!!!

ANYONE who can make the fingers pop like I'm doing, please record a short vid, and share it here. I want to try to show that this is not impossible. I"m hoping that somebody here on the site, other than myself, can do this technique.

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Can you show the video please buddy. I'm hoping this is strength and not biomechanical.

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post Feb 24 2019, 09:02 PM
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Not much power here Todd, I do get a pop on left hand when I use middle two fingers. Just got back from a weekend away, did a quick vid. Glad you like the pictures on Instagram wink.gif

https://youtu.be/ldmWEoLfjmQ



UPDATE:
After seeing where Rich's index finger is in his first picture I noticed that mine was in between the second and third frets, once I got it snugly up to the fret wire I had a 90% improvement so thanks for that Rich wink.gif Just need to practise it more now to get consistancy.

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post Feb 25 2019, 11:46 AM
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Phil
Another thing to think about is, do you really need to play a whole barre chord G7, rather than a partial chord or another voicing, especially on electric guitar.
I know you want to be a well rounded guitarist but if you look at many of our favourite guitarists how often do they use a full barre chord...

If this is giving you issues, maybe it's a great opportunity to learn other voicings and options.


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post Feb 25 2019, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 25 2019, 10:46 AM) *
Phil
Another thing to think about is, do you really need to play a whole barre chord G7, rather than a partial chord or another voicing, especially on electric guitar.
I know you want to be a well rounded guitarist but if you look at many of our favourite guitarists how often do they use a full barre chord...

If this is giving you issues, maybe it's a great opportunity to learn other voicings and options.


Thanks buddy but it's one of my tasks in my mentoring thread with Gab. If it was for something I was "writing" I would probably do a shortcut version. I'm also covering triads based around the chords.

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Getting ones hand position in a comfy spot is indeed critical. I'm glad you found a more comfy way and big props to Rich! You have a good start on your finger strength. Keep doing this finger drill any time you have a few moments to spare. The more you can work up your finger power, the easier everything on guitar will get.

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Not much power here Todd, I do get a pop on left hand when I use middle two fingers. Just got back from a weekend away, did a quick vid. Glad you like the pictures on Instagram wink.gif

https://youtu.be/ldmWEoLfjmQ



UPDATE:
After seeing where Rich's index finger is in his first picture I noticed that mine was in between the second and third frets, once I got it snugly up to the fret wire I had a 90% improvement so thanks for that Rich wink.gif Just need to practise it more now to get consistancy.
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 24 2019, 12:02 PM) *
UPDATE:
After seeing where Rich's index finger is in his first picture I noticed that mine was in between the second and third frets, once I got it snugly up to the fret wire I had a 90% improvement so thanks for that Rich wink.gif Just need to practise it more now to get consistancy.

Awesome! Glad I could help, Phil. I know you have been gravitating towards a blues style lately and that shape and similar shapes and voicings are essential for the style.
How is that B7 treating you? Are you using it with the root on the A string like I show in the 2nd picture I posted?
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Root on the E mate.

I have to say that Posterboy mentioned getting my finger up to the fret too but it didn't sink into my head until I was browsing the topic again so sorry for that Posterboy huh.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 25 2019, 10:11 AM) *
Root on the E mate.

I have to say that Posterboy mentioned getting my finger up to the fret too but it didn't sink into my head until I was browsing the topic again so sorry for that Posterboy huh.gif

Cheers

Ah ok, so, same shape as G7 then, just move it down to the 7th fret root. That's good because I just realized the 2nd chord I showed is actually a C7 lol. I guess I just figured you were using these chords in a G7 blues context where C7 would be the IV chord I guess. It's a simple fix though if you decided to tackle that shape with the root on the A string. Just move the shape up one fret to the 2nd fret and voila, B7. tongue.gif
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