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Davidian
post Aug 15 2007, 03:35 AM
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How do you put 'em on your guitar? (This 'expression might not be right, but I don't know how to say it in English)

Is it like: amp -----cable------- pedal -----cable-------- guitar?
Or do you have to put them on your guitar some other way?



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post Aug 15 2007, 03:55 AM
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I connect them like this:

Guitar->wah->distortion->delay->amp


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post Aug 15 2007, 05:56 AM
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Thanks, Pavel! biggrin.gif
And is the rank of the pedals important?
Can you for example also put them like this:
Guitar --- Dist. ---- Delay ---- Wah ---- Amp ?


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post Aug 15 2007, 06:38 AM
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It depends on a pedal manufacturer and the effect the pedal does! When i bought the Boss PW-10 Wah i connected in last in a row - so it was wah->amp and it did a horrible sound and i thought my pedal was broken. But one i connected it First in a row it worked great! So you have to experiment with it!


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post Aug 15 2007, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 15 2007, 01:38 AM) *
It depends on a pedal manufacturer and the effect the pedal does! When i bought the Boss PW-10 Wah i connected in last in a row - so it was wah->amp and it did a horrible sound and i thought my pedal was broken. But one i connected it First in a row it worked great! So you have to experiment with it!


In particular, Wah before and after dostortion give a very different sound - more harmonics in a distorted sound for the Wah pedal to work on. SOmetimes that is ok, sometimes it isn't depends on the effect you want and the pedals themselves, so Take Pavels advice and try it out all ways and settle on what you like best.


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Wah always belongs before an overdrive/distortion because the wah drives the sound a bit on it's own. Otherway round you'll get the problem Pavel faced: Muddy Sound


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post Aug 15 2007, 07:04 AM
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And what if I want to use a wah with the built-in distortion of my amp?
Will that give a muddy sound?

And thanks for all the fast replies! biggrin.gif


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what cable to you connect the pedals with? it is just a short 1/4" amp leads right?


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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Aug 15 2007, 02:33 AM) *
what cable to you connect the pedals with? it is just a short 1/4" amp leads right?


Right.


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well in that case, know any online places to get em? because i am a good 18 hours drive from the nearest music store


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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Aug 15 2007, 02:38 AM) *
well in that case, know any online places to get em? because i am a good 18 hours drive from the nearest music store


LOL. stuck in the outback mate? They are usually called patch cables, and about a foot long. Of course you need 2 long cables, one from guitar to first effect, and one from the last effect to the amp, all in between can be patch cables.

Not living in the Antipodies I don;t know any good stores but doa search for patch cables and see what you can pull up.


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post Aug 15 2007, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Aug 15 2007, 02:38 AM) *
well in that case, know any online places to get em? because i am a good 18 hours drive from the nearest music store



i found this and this
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If you don't have an effects loop then the common way is, as most have already said:

guitar>wah>compressor>distortion>phaser/flanger (or other time delay type effects)>amp input

and with a loop as above plus:
into the loop eq>chorus>delay>reverb.

Generally its worth experimenting a bit as you can reverse the compressor and distortion and/or compressor and wah and sometimes get a better tone - really depends a great deal on the pedals. But it's nearly always better to put any time based effect AFTER a distortion.

One thing - use good quality patch cables - cheap ones can spoil your tone ohmy.gif .

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Yeah,Tony is right about cables,you're not rich enough to buy cheap stuff...
And if you use drive from an amp then
you still have wah before drive, which is the most common option after all smile.gif


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You will find that you will get a different sound every time you change the order.Some sound worse than other's i would look online to get the best set-up if your using stomp boxes. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 15 2007, 02:45 PM) *
I don't know any good stores but do a search for patch cables and see what you can pull up.


Thanks! I didn't know what they were called.


QUOTE (Nick325 @ Aug 15 2007, 02:49 PM) *
i found this and this


Cheers for the links Nick!

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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Aug 15 2007, 06:50 PM) *
Thanks! I didn't know what they were called.
Cheers for the links Nick!

- Hemlok

And the ones from Nick's two links I prefer is the ones shaped like an "L" in both ends. Real space savers those and they still allow you to freely set the distance between the pedals if you need em further apart (in oppose to the plug-plug)


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Thanks to everybody for the answers! I get it now!
Hemloks question came in handy too ^^

But I still have another thing that I'm kind of bothered with...
And that is: what's the difference between Overdrive and Distortion?

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Distortion has much more gain than Overdrive and is used for heavier stuff. Overdrive can even sound like it's some hard clean sound if put to a low gain so basically Overdrive is VERY VERY low distortion.



These patch cables are impossible to find in Croatia so i had to make my own for my pedals.


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QUOTE (Davidian @ Aug 16 2007, 05:32 AM) *
Thanks to everybody for the answers! I get it now!
Hemloks question came in handy too ^^

But I still have another thing that I'm kind of bothered with...
And that is: what's the difference between Overdrive and Distortion?

Thanks!

Never payed it much though but I'd say that an overdrive increase a signal while the distortion alters the signal.


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