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post Aug 16 2007, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 16 2007, 12:58 AM) *
Never payed it much though but I'd say that an overdrive increase a signal while the distortion alters the signal.


My understanding is that overdrive is meant to emulate the sound of a tube amp being driven into (gentle) distortion, whereas distortion (fuzz) is much more brutal.


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post Aug 16 2007, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 16 2007, 06:58 AM) *
Never payed it much though but I'd say that an overdrive increase a signal while the distortion alters the signal.


Yeah,MikeM pointed it right smile.gif
Or to make it more closer for Davidian,
overdrive is smaller and distortion is bigger alter of the signal(sound)..


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There is also a difference between Distortion and Fuzz. Distortion can be heavy, crunchy and crisp at the same time. While FUZZ is generally a NOISE pedal biggrin.gif


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post Aug 16 2007, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 16 2007, 07:13 AM) *
There is also a difference between Distortion and Fuzz. Distortion can be heavy, crunchy and crisp at the same time. While FUZZ is generally a NOISE pedal biggrin.gif



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QUOTE (muris @ Aug 16 2007, 07:21 AM) *
Tell that to Eric Johnson cool.gif


I will - next time i meet him! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 16 2007, 07:24 AM) *
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 16 2007, 07:11 AM) *
My understanding is that overdrive is meant to emulate the sound of a tube amp being driven into (gentle) distortion

I think you have a point on when using an OD with a solid state amp, never tried it my self but I assume it would sound like that. With an OD into a tube amp if you only use the level (amount of overdrive) you will drive the tubes harder and manage to get crunch from an otherwise perfectly clean channel. And that's sweet!!! If you also have an option to add gain with your OD pedal that's exactly what happens... gain.

Modern metal heads even put an OD in front of heavily distorted Hi-gain tube amps to get some seriously mean grit. ...hmmm... I realize I never tried that, maybe I need a noice surpressor first huh.gif


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 16 2007, 07:37 AM) *
I think you have a point on when using an OD with a solid state amp, never tried it my self but I assume it would sound like that. With an OD into a tube amp if you only use the level (amount of overdrive) you will drive the tubes harder and manage to get crunch from an otherwise perfectly clean channel. And that's sweet!!! If you also have an option to add gain with your OD pedal that's exactly what happens... gain.

Modern metal heads even put an OD in front of heavily distorted Hi-gain tube amps to get some seriously mean grit. ...hmmm... I realize I never tried that, maybe I need a noice surpressor first huh.gif


Needed for sure...Rocktron Hush or som.


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QUOTE (muris @ Aug 16 2007, 07:41 AM) *
Needed for sure...Rocktron Hush or som.

Aha... I didn't hear of it. It's good I assume?

I was thinking of a Boss NS from which I can power 8 pedals (or how many there were, around 8 something)


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 16 2007, 07:44 AM) *
Aha... I didn't hear of it. It's good I assume?

I was thinking of a Boss NS from which I can power 8 pedals (or how many there were, around 8 something)



Yeah Hush is great but it's rack unit,haven't seen it in pedal edition...


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@MickeM you don't need a noise surpressor, lead guitarrists use overdrives to boost and improve their lead-sound and it also helps with artificial harmonics. For example: Matt from Bullet for my vallentine uses a ibanez tubescreamer infront of his mesa boogie to boost his leadsound or Zakk Wylde uses a boss overdrive to gain up his jcm 800's


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Aug 16 2007, 08:00 AM) *
@MickeM you don't need a noise surpressor, lead guitarrists use overdrives to boost and improve their lead-sound and it also helps with artificial harmonics. For example: Matt from Bullet for my vallentine uses a ibanez tubescreamer infront of his mesa boogie to boost his leadsound or Zakk Wylde uses a boss overdrive to gain up his jcm 800's



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The whole thing isn't helped as some manufacturers mean od when they say distortion and so on laugh.gif .

Generally I'd agree with Zakk's recommendation for a noise supressor, or alternatively may be a really good compressor or eq before the gain stage. (although you are doing something rather different). Rocktron hush as I remember were industry standard for suppression - good unit if you can get one (maybe evilbay?).

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Aug 16 2007, 09:15 AM) *
The whole thing isn't helped as some manufacturers mean od when they say distortion and so on laugh.gif .

Generally I'd agree with Zakk's recommendation for a noise supressor, or alternatively may be a really good compressor or eq before the gain stage. (although you are doing something rather different). Rocktron hush as I remember were industry standard for suppression - good unit if you can get one (maybe evilbay?).

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I was going to ask if a noise supressor was the same thing as a compressor, but I guess this means it's not the same thing? But a compressor could achive the same thing, but different? tongue.gif


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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Aug 16 2007, 09:14 PM) *
I was going to ask if a noise supressor was the same thing as a compressor, but I guess this means it's not the same thing? But a compressor could achive the same thing, but different? tongue.gif



Hmm...no.
Compressor helps to,as the name says,compress your sound within two lines of dB,upper and lower.
That means you're not leaving much space for your sound to "breaths" freely.
On the other side,noise suppressor silences all unwanted noises,buzzes etc.. smile.gif


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QUOTE (muris @ Aug 16 2007, 04:00 PM) *
Hmm...no.
Compressor helps to,as the name says,compress your sound within two lines of dB,upper and lower.
That means you're not leaving much space for your sound to "breaths" freely.
On the other side,noise suppressor silences all unwanted noises,buzzes etc.. smile.gif


Actually, a compressor can relly noise up your signal, so it is really a noise amplifier! Reason is. if you have a very l;ow threshold with high gain, as soon as you stop playing, the compressor ratchets up the gain and amplifies any stray hums, buzzes, vibrations, unintentional string noise. Compressors are great for helping with sustain, but at a price (nothing is ever free !)

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 16 2007, 04:17 PM) *
Actually, a compressor can relly noise up your signal, so it is really a noise amplifier! Reason is. if you have a very l;ow threshold with high gain, as soon as you stop playing, the compressor ratchets up the gain and amplifies any stray hums, buzzes, vibrations, unintentional string noise. Compressors are great for helping with sustain, but at a price (nothing is ever free !)



Very true smile.gif
A compressor for me does more hurt than good.They are nice but it seems the more effects you plan to use them with the more you loose in overall tone


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If one were to buy a Line6, would one still need to add all those stomp boxes, besides a wah (if preferred)?


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QUOTE (Travelin' Man @ Aug 16 2007, 10:35 PM) *
If one were to buy a Line6, would one still need to add all those stomp boxes, besides a wah (if preferred)?



Depends of what you're gonna buy and what is it that you want from your sound.
Per example,I use Rocktron Prophesy plus Digitech Whammy 2,Boss TU-2,Boss Comp and Morley BH 2,
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QUOTE (Travelin' Man @ Aug 16 2007, 04:35 PM) *
If one were to buy a Line6, would one still need to add all those stomp boxes, besides a wah (if preferred)?


Line 6 build everything from single effects, to multi effects to amps with built in effects, so the question would be which Line 6 are you asking about wink.gif


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