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AK Rich
Mar 30 2020, 06:02 PM
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As far as the recovery goes in China and how successful they are in stopping Covid-19. I have trouble believing it because they have suppressed information from the rest of the world and their own people from the beginning. Everyone in the world should understand that the suffering in countries around the world are in large part due to the Chinese government holding back critically needed information and their continued negligence in allowing situations that contribute to these kinds of outbreaks in the past and present. The rest of the world needs to make sure that the Chinese government is held accountable for allowing this thing to be as bad as it is. Maybe our debt to them should be erased is an idea that I have heard floated recently.
Here is an article that goes into what I have stated here. Everyone should read it and remember, and that even now, things are most likely worse than they say. Do you really believe their mortality rate numbers or the number of infected for example? Because I sure don't, but that is for another post.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2...g-blame/608332/

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Yes there isn't much to disagree about what happened in China and how they "handled things" before+during the spread but to be honest blaming things at this point doesn't matter much.

In-fact, it diverts (political) pressure from responsible politicians and imho they need to be pressured to do their best. Every country without exception took the situation too lightly and now we've only started to face consequences.

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AK Rich
Mar 30 2020, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 30 2020, 10:55 AM) *
Yes there isn't much to disagree about what happened in China and how they "handled things" before+during the spread but to be honest blaming things at this point doesn't matter much.

In-fact, it diverts (political) pressure from responsible politicians and imho they need to be pressured to do their best. Every country without exception took the situation too lightly and now we've only started to face consequences.

Oh I agree. Right now we just need to get through this, and that in the future, the rest of the nations of the world need to take steps to ensure that they are much better prepared for a situation like this. But after all the dust has settled, I think it's important for all of the nations of the world that have been affected by this to stand together to hold the Chinese government accountable, and for big changes to be made in how the world does business with China and how China is allowed to do business with the rest of the world.

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 30 2020, 07:46 PM) *
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I expect that to happen no matter what. We've discussed the mistake of depending on Chinese production so much was a mistake, maybe not economic but strategically. As the Covid jumped to India who knows which material shortages we'll see in a week or 2...

I expect China's era of extreme growth to end anyway, I mean even before the corona we were discussing USA tariff's. And even before that globalism was discussed specially in EU weather brexit or refugee issue's.

So 2020 economically in down to thrash, might even extend to 2021. Probably by 2022 we'll likely see a re-shaping of what we understand of globalism and global marketing.

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Todd Simpson
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The long term effects of this on our population and our global economy are hard to predict in terms of specifics, but it does seem one good thing is oil/gas is getting cheap. Expensive gas/oil is just a shadoow tax imho because it can be just as cheap as it is right now, at any time. Only by restricting supply does opect make the price rise. They are in a slap fight with russia now and are trying to over produce to make russia yield. I don't think it will work. Underestimating the Russians ability to cope with harship is always a mistake.

I do hope it lights a fire under govts to start spending on pandemic research and general research and also to spend on stockpiling so we are not caught off guard, again. But only time will tell.

QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 30 2020, 04:33 PM) *
I expect that to happen no matter what. We've discussed the mistake of depending on Chinese production so much was a mistake, maybe not economic but strategically. As the Covid jumped to India who knows which material shortages we'll see in a week or 2...

I expect China's era of extreme growth to end anyway, I mean even before the corona we were discussing USA tariff's. And even before that globalism was discussed specially in EU weather brexit or refugee issue's.

So 2020 economically in down to thrash, might even extend to 2021. Probably by 2022 we'll likely see a re-shaping of what we understand of globalism and global marketing.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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The day I moved to Florida, the Governor shut down the state. We are now on the same trajectory as Italy which is not good news. Which is to say our curve of death/infection is going to be similar to theirs. Here is DR FAUCI who is the Presidents main guy on this top and a very smart man whom I've come to respect. Bad news is he says this is still gonna get worse before it gets better. Shockingly, here in Florida, Church services are still being allowed despite the fact that it's going to get a LOT of people sick and get a lot of people Dead. Florida has more old folks than any other state in the union. It's a very vulnerable population.


We have had about 10 Million people asked for unemployment. These are numbers we have not seen since the great depression. We lost 13 million jobs in the great depression and it took 3 years. We will lose more jobs than that by the end of next week. It's just grim. I wish I could put a more happy spin on it. One Million plus Infected and we are not even at the peak yet.

We will get through this. Stay strong, stay calm, practice guitar!

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*Deaths DOUBLE in one day. I was hoping this would be wrapped up by now and it's getting exponentially worse day by day. Stay safe folks. I'm in Florida and the entire state has been shut down. It happened the day I got here.

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Turkey isn't doing so well either. Despite having a small timing advantage and getting test kits sooner, the increase is still rapid. A peak in nubers is unavoidable but how you get there matters for total number affected.

Anyone under 20 or over 65 is prohibited for going out and those who do must wear a mask. All city's are closed (you need paper to from one to another), there are quite a few small town/villages under strict quarantine.

We don't have any kind of shortages yet but time will tell, I guess after USA it will be our turn to go through the peak.

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Quarter Million cases here in the states. Growing exponentially. 10 million unemployed, not since the Great Depression have we seen this. Now CDC says EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK IN PUBLIC. It's just insane here. 1 in 4 deaths are in New York. about a thousand a day die here from these. They are saying a quarter million deaths would be a low number. My state of Florida is shut down til april 30th. A hundred thousand body bags have been ordered. Frozen meat truck are backed up to hospitals in new york to act like portable morgues. Uggh
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 4 2020, 12:08 PM) *
Turkey isn't doing so well either. Despite having a small timing advantage and getting test kits sooner, the increase is still rapid. A peak in nubers is unavoidable but how you get there matters for total number affected.

Anyone under 20 or over 65 is prohibited for going out and those who do must wear a mask. All city's are closed (you need paper to from one to another), there are quite a few small town/villages under strict quarantine.

We don't have any kind of shortages yet but time will tell, I guess after USA it will be our turn to go through the peak.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 4 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Now CDC says EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK IN PUBLIC.


Yeah that started here yesterday, we are lucky to have washable masks but my mom made a few too. Turns out the asymtomatic young are the main spreaders, closing schools was one of the first thing we did but they were worst about not caring and act as if summer holiday started mad.gif as of yesterday finally they're ordered to stay at home.

To me USA's main problem is every state has its own measures and some really loose. So even if one state gets better in time (like NY) another will get bad and this period will be way longer for USA compared to other countries.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 4 2020, 08:37 PM) *
To me USA's main problem is every state has its own measures and some really loose. So even if one state gets better in time (like NY) another will get bad and this period will be way longer for USA compared to other countries.

this is also our strength though..people living in farmland where there neighbor is 2 miles away do not need to act like NY City..The states do not need to wait for Trump to implement any measures and lets face it with everybody wanting to impeach Trump for farting to loud it is better for him to leave it up to states
Bottom line -- governors fault not Trumps

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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 4 2020, 09:21 PM) *
this is also our strength though..people living in farmland where there neighbor is 2 miles away do not need to act like NY City..The states do not need to wait for Trump to implement any measures and lets face it with everybody wanting to impeach Trump for farting to loud it is better for him to leave it up to states
Bottom line -- governors fault not Trumps


We started quarantining small villages (most very away from cities) first, the details of why isn't announced but to my understanding in such area you get connected with the same people more often than compared to the city. Also given a proper hospital is likely far, they delay going as long as possible (north Italy may also be an example). Your farm example is correct but a tiny community may spread the virus even faster.

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We just heard that from CDC. That young asymptomatic people, strong and healthy, are infected, and don't know it. They can spread without sneezing, just by talking to you. So now cdc has reversed direction and says everyone should wear a mask in public to keep from infecting other people.

You nailed it mertay. it's going exponentially up here and we are weeks away from the worst of it. Feels like living through the walking dead.

The young people spread this like crazy since they thought they were immune for a long time.




QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 4 2020, 03:37 PM) *
Yeah that started here yesterday, we are lucky to have washable masks but my mom made a few too. Turns out the asymtomatic young are the main spreaders, closing schools was one of the first thing we did but they were worst about not caring and act as if summer holiday started mad.gif as of yesterday finally they're ordered to stay at home.

To me USA's main problem is every state has its own measures and some really loose. So even if one state gets better in time (like NY) another will get bad and this period will be way longer for USA compared to other countries.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 4 2020, 10:40 AM) *
Now CDC says EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK IN PUBLIC.
They are saying a quarter million deaths would be a low number.


Actually, the CDC recommends cloth face coverings and homemade masks because surgical and N95 masks should be reserved for healthcare professionals. If you already have the masks, then wear them, but we shouldn't be trying to buy new ones. Below are links to the CDC recommendations as well as instructions on how to make your own masks.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/p...face-cover.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/p...-coverings.html

Who says that a quarter million deaths would be a low number? And what is the timeframe? The latest models project 100,000 to 240,000 and so far since those projections have come out, we are not on pace to reach the 100,000 low end of the projection by the time we are expected to be on the downhill side of the curve which was 2 weeks after the models came out. At least that is what I understood from the graphs that were shown. The models came out about 4 days ago I believe. I myself don't think we will reach 100,000 deaths in the US, at least not in the short term.

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We are nearing completion of our 3rd full week of lockdown here in Cali.
Pretty chill for the most part. Some small pockets of stupidity but certainly no more violence than usual (cops here rarely ever respond quickly to non-violent crime reports even in 'normal' times). Police are actively breaking up baseball, basketball and soccer games in the parks and writing $1100.00 fines for surfing and/or picnicking on the beach. Non essential businesses that remain opened have their water and electricity shut off.
I haven't had any problem getting supplies I need, even TP wink.gif. Definitely less hoarding going on.

For the record, CA boasts a shitload of firearms. Second highest below Texas. *Alaska has the highest amount per capita.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 5 2020, 08:30 PM) *
We are nearing completion of our 3rd full week of lockdown here in Cali.
and writing $1100.00 fines for surfing and/or picnicking on the beach. Non essential businesses that remain opened have their water and electricity shut off.
I haven't had any problem getting supplies I need, even TP wink.gif. Definitely less hoarding going on.

For the record, CA boasts a shitload of firearms. Second highest below Texas. *Alaska has the highest amount per capita.

Surfing seems sort of isolating an both cleansing from the salt water.. as far as the Guns , you mean to tell me Law abiding gun owners are not violent and not shooting up everything ..huh .. who would of seen that

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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 5 2020, 04:01 PM) *
Surfing seems sort of isolating an both cleansing from the salt water.. as far as the Guns , you mean to tell me Law abiding gun owners are not violent and not shooting up everything ..huh .. who would of seen that


The reasoning is that they don't want a ton of folks going to the beach and 'congregating', so they crack down even on just one or two.
They pulled this guy out of the water on Friday I think ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird_Hamilton

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More than 300,000 cases nation wide. Trump warning to prepare for a LOT OF DEATH. This thing is still getting worse sadly. New York, Detroit, will reach the apex in the next week or so. Be safe people. We are all we have and we have to count on each other. Help where you can, give when you can, stay home because we simply have to in order to slow this down.

2500 beds added in new york. Every 2 and half minutes someone in new york dies of covid 19


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