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post Aug 16 2007, 12:51 AM
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I have a couple of questions and i thought the gear thread would be more appropriate for them. Or at least i hope it is anyway.

Ok first of all, a really random question. Does your guitar actually make an awful lot of difference to the sound or sound quality? I've heard that the amp is the main part of your sound so if you're getting a bad sound or anything then it is usually down to your amp? I'm not saying i'm getting a bad sound or anything i'm just curious about this stuff. People spend thousands on guitars don't they? Is it really worth it?

Secondly, is mainly about effects during playing. Ok this is really a question for the rock/metal players or anyone who knows much about effects. How many of you during say a song have to change effect/pickup or whatever to go from one part to another. So for example, you have a song you've made which has a pretty cool rhythm bit which you use lots of distortion for, and it also has a solo but the solo isn't going to sound as good if you're using rhythm distortion to play it is it? So do you have to use a pedal for that or do you find a sound that sounds ok for both parts? In other words a sound that's good for rhythm, maybe not great but works and equally for lead playing as well. Or (i swear i won't drag this out too long tongue.gif) do you just use 2 players 1 for rhythm and another for just solos and leads and that's it? I know that some players like to play both though and in the same song.

Hope this makes sense, it's not always easy trying to explain stuff tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2007, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE (steve25 @ Aug 15 2007, 07:51 PM) *
Ok first of all, a really random question. Does your guitar actually make an awful lot of difference to the sound or sound quality? I've heard that the amp is the main part of your sound so if you're getting a bad sound or anything then it is usually down to your amp? I'm not saying i'm getting a bad sound or anything i'm just curious about this stuff. People spend thousands on guitars don't they? Is it really worth it?


For clean playing its pretty important - for hi gain much less so, and varying importance for all the positions in between smile.gif


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QUOTE (steve25 @ Aug 15 2007, 07:51 PM) *
I have a couple of questions and i thought the gear thread would be more appropriate for them. Or at least i hope it is anyway.

Ok first of all, a really random question. Does your guitar actually make an awful lot of difference to the sound or sound quality? I've heard that the amp is the main part of your sound so if you're getting a bad sound or anything then it is usually down to your amp? I'm not saying i'm getting a bad sound or anything i'm just curious about this stuff. People spend thousands on guitars don't they? Is it really worth it?

Secondly, is mainly about effects during playing. Ok this is really a question for the rock/metal players or anyone who knows much about effects. How many of you during say a song have to change effect/pickup or whatever to go from one part to another. So for example, you have a song you've made which has a pretty cool rhythm bit which you use lots of distortion for, and it also has a solo but the solo isn't going to sound as good if you're using rhythm distortion to play it is it? So do you have to use a pedal for that or do you find a sound that sounds ok for both parts? In other words a sound that's good for rhythm, maybe not great but works and equally for lead playing as well. Or (i swear i won't drag this out too long tongue.gif) do you just use 2 players 1 for rhythm and another for just solos and leads and that's it? I know that some players like to play both though and in the same song.

Hope this makes sense, it's not always easy trying to explain stuff tongue.gif



Hey man
First off my opinion is that the amp is not the biggest issue in your sound,ofcourse it is huge but there are many other aspects to consider.The electronics and especially pickups make a huge difference in sound,you can even tell a big difference in a single coil pickup and a humbucker.Also the wood the guitar body is made from as well as the wood that the neck and fretboard have all play into the tone.Ofcourse you could have the best set-up guitar in the world and play through a cheap amp with a blown speaker that sounds like a fart and that wouldnt be good either laugh.gif

As for switching between lead and rythem tones you can do it different ways pending on taste.Me i use my bridge humbucker 90 % of the time so i really dont switch back and forth alot.You could have a distortion pedal for one tone and use your amp's distortion along with a footswitch for a second tone.And last you can always use your neck pickup for the rythem and switch to bridge fo lead to give it a different sound.Hope i answered your question ok

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Hey cheers guys smile.gif. I have 2 guitars at the moment one is a cheap copy strat which has single coil pickups and an Ibanez RG321MH. My Ibanez does sound better than my strat but i can't quite get what it is whether it's the wood or the pickups. I know the sound is different but i'm not sure exactly how single coils and humbuckers differ in sound.
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QUOTE (steve25 @ Aug 15 2007, 08:09 PM) *
Hey cheers guys smile.gif. I have 2 guitars at the moment one is a cheap copy strat which has single coil pickups and an Ibanez RG321MH. My Ibanez does sound better than my strat but i can't quite get what it is whether it's the wood or the pickups. I know the sound is different but i'm not sure exactly how single coils and humbuckers differ in sound.


Single coils usually sound thin and trebly and have a lot of bite to the sound - they are big part of the Stratocasters distinctive sound. Humbuckers sound bassier and warmer with less attack.


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i am a humbucker man all the way! smile.gif Very rare do i like the sound of a single coil as it doesnt fit in my main playing style metal ,rock ,shred ect.I would belive that 's the pickups that are making the big noticable differences in the sound on your 2 guitars.I'm sure the strat copy may be made cheap but if your playing with distortion you probably wouldnt even here the differnece wood wise it's all in the electronics and parts.To wrap it up humbucker's have balls and the single coils have ''well you know''. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (steve25 @ Aug 16 2007, 01:51 AM) *
I have a couple of questions and i thought the gear thread would be more appropriate for them. Or at least i hope it is anyway.

Ok first of all, a really random question. Does your guitar actually make an awful lot of difference to the sound or sound quality? I've heard that the amp is the main part of your sound so if you're getting a bad sound or anything then it is usually down to your amp? I'm not saying i'm getting a bad sound or anything i'm just curious about this stuff. People spend thousands on guitars don't they? Is it really worth it?

Secondly, is mainly about effects during playing. Ok this is really a question for the rock/metal players or anyone who knows much about effects. How many of you during say a song have to change effect/pickup or whatever to go from one part to another. So for example, you have a song you've made which has a pretty cool rhythm bit which you use lots of distortion for, and it also has a solo but the solo isn't going to sound as good if you're using rhythm distortion to play it is it? So do you have to use a pedal for that or do you find a sound that sounds ok for both parts? In other words a sound that's good for rhythm, maybe not great but works and equally for lead playing as well. Or (i swear i won't drag this out too long tongue.gif) do you just use 2 players 1 for rhythm and another for just solos and leads and that's it? I know that some players like to play both though and in the same song.

Hope this makes sense, it's not always easy trying to explain stuff tongue.gif

Every single bit in your equipment will form your tone.
Pickups is a big part of it, when I'm used playing one guitar and I switch to another I'm sometimes surprised how much the tone change. It's depending on the wood in the guitar, fingerboard etc and of course also the pickups. Since I've changes into new pickups in a couple of my guitars I can vouch for that the before and after sounds are completely diifferent. So the wood can add character, the pickups add tone.

The amp, well, it make a huge part of your sound. A good amp can make a bad guitar sound better and a bad amp can make a good guitar sound bad. If you have a good guitar and a good amp you're in tone heaven. If I were to pick the order of upgrading however I'd go for a killer amp first which I belive will add more to the tone even if your guitar is just so so, second I'd go for great pickups or a teriffic guitar (either way there will be a change of pickups) but a new and better guitar will certainly have a better setup of wood, intonation etc.

For the tone part I have a tad different approach depending on what amp I play. Like yesterday at rehearsal (with my Peavey Classic 30) I only used one pedal, the OverDrive. For the distorted, tougher songs I kicked it with lots of gain. Always on the clean channel, ok.
For less OD I turned down the volume on the guitar to clean up the sound and for perfectly clean I bypassed the OD pedal and raised the volume. Oh yeah, I used a Wah aswell, not to forget.
With the same amp I've also connected, before that is, Wah, OD, Dist, Delay, EQ and more *puh*
Sure it's fun with more pedals but it's really up to the mood I'm in. Sometimes it's just a lot more fun to color the sound only with one pedal and the volume and tonb control of the guitar, and switch between pickups. Actually, if I were to recomment something I'd say - just get a few pedals, just the one you really really need and learn real good how they work. I'm not so much for the 10 pedals in one sort but rather have one sound available and work it from there. That will teach you a lot more of how your pedal and amp and guitar can work together.

My other approach is with the other baad I'm in where I have an amp with all sounds ready to go, all I need is a Wah. I control which preset to use with a MIDI pedal and it goes like for example; (I'm still working out a system around this)
Into with clean sound, f.ex MIDI bank 10, selection A (for this song)
After the intro is a heavily distorted sound, stay on bank 10, kick selection B
Then comes a solo of which I made a copy of selection B where I added some delay and EQed it differently and stored in 10 C, hence kicking C for soling

For the next song I may have all the sounds stored in bank 7 so switching to that with the foot pedal.

Anyway, kicking an EQ pedal for a solo is a great way to get an extra push in the right frequencies, maybe with a boost added.
Changing the volume on the guitar while playing is a great way of cleaning up (lowering the volume) or adding grit (raising the volume) and like with a LP with two volume and two tone controls just flicking the pu switch position can go from clean to heavily distorted, if you have set it up with clean rhythm (on low volume) and crunchy/distorted treble with high volume.

there are so many ways to change tone while playing, sometimes I'm lazy, then pedals come in handy. Sometimes I want to struggle a bit and play around with the volume, pu selector switch and an OD and maybe the different channels. And it can be a pain because neither the footswitch for the Peavey not the amp itself indicates which channel it's on, the volume knobs on a LP is a bit off (and the knob on my Ibanez is too stubborn to get moving with a sweaty pinkey) etc. But fighting for sound teach you a lot about your equipment, and you really should learn how everything works, what all the the knobs on all stuff do, it will help you sound better rather than you always turn the gain to full and have bass/midd/treble all set to noon. At least that's how I feel.

QUOTE (steve25 @ Aug 16 2007, 02:09 AM) *
I know the sound is different but i'm not sure exactly how single coils and humbuckers differ in sound.

I don't know how to say this without sound harsch, just belive me, I'm not. biggrin.gif You have one guitar with humbuckers and one with single coils, don't ask here how the sound differs but play around with both of them and use your ears! Play one, listen good, connect the other, play the same stuff, notice the difference. Change the amp settings and repeat with both guitars. Feel the force Luke! rolleyes.gif

And I take back what I said about "don't ask here" cos if you didn't you'd not get so many good answers from all the people here. So keep asking here laugh.gif


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post Aug 16 2007, 04:27 AM
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as the others said it guitars do add tone but also better guitars have faster necks. as of now my guitar's a POS so it fells like a dream when i grab a good guitar.


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