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post Aug 16 2007, 01:15 AM
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hey pavel, i was just wondering something. i know that each person is different, but how long do you think it took you after you started practicing for speed to notice a difference? was there a certain point which you made huge progress, or did you struggle for every bpm on the metronome the whole way?
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post Aug 16 2007, 04:00 PM
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Hey!

When i started to practice scales and such stuff i was using a Digitech RP100 which had built-in drum beats. And i was practicing to those! In he beginning it all looked pretty much pointless because i was getting progress totally slow. Later - the more i was gaining overall technique - the faster i was improving.

Let's put it simple way: it took me almost 5 years to get from 0 to where i am now.

Progress comes, than you hit a period when you can't play a thing - than i was making pauses for 3-4 days without guitar, and than back on practicing with progressing again. I guess each player has his own way of dealing with these "empty" periods.


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post Aug 21 2007, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 16 2007, 10:00 AM) *
Hey!

When i started to practice scales and such stuff i was using a Digitech RP100 which had built-in drum beats. And i was practicing to those! In he beginning it all looked pretty much pointless because i was getting progress totally slow. Later - the more i was gaining overall technique - the faster i was improving.

Let's put it simple way: it took me almost 5 years to get from 0 to where i am now.

Progress comes, than you hit a period when you can't play a thing - than i was making pauses for 3-4 days without guitar, and than back on practicing with progressing again. I guess each player has his own way of dealing with these "empty" periods.

Hey I have a rp100

Do you feel that if you had the help that is on GMC, back then, that it would have still taken five years?


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post Aug 21 2007, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 16 2007, 10:00 AM) *
Progress comes, than you hit a period when you can't play a thing - than i was making pauses for 3-4 days without guitar, and than back on practicing with progressing again. I guess each player has his own way of dealing with these "empty" periods.


I'm still in that stage


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post Aug 21 2007, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Aug 21 2007, 11:39 AM) *
I'm still in that stage

Ha, ya that sucks.
I feel like I'm gaining some speed with a metronome right now.
-------------------------------------5-6-7-8-9-8-7-6---------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------5-6-7-8 -------------------9-8-7-6------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------5-6-7-8---------------------------------------9-8-7-6-----------------------------------------7-8-9-10
----------5-6-7-8----------------------------------------------------------9-8-7-6---------------------7-8-9-10----------
-5-6-7-8-----------------------------------------------------------------------------9-8-7-6-7-8-9-10--------------------

It utilizes all of you fingers and has been helping me with muscle memorization. It's just straight down the strings with 1234 fingers, then move one fret over back up then one fret over and you can move up the neck to the higher frets like the 15. Hope this isn't confusing cause it's really simple and convenient positioning and it's helped me to gain speed. I started with like 60-70 bpm. I counted like this ONE-two-three-four ONE-two-three four ONE-two-three-four. It's taken me about 7 days to play pretty cleanly at 100 bpm up to like the 12th fret before I loose steam. This thing is fun to work with when your like watchin TV or something because it's just to help with your finger positioning, muscle memory, and timing.
A few tips that I know of- Keep your fingers as close to the fret board as possible. Play every notes evenly. And try not to think of the notes in fours, you can count but try and have all the note flow together as one.
Main thing though is to start of slow and evenly at a comfortable bpm and you will see improvement even the next day, but it's subtle. Which is how it works. You can gauge your improvement by a nudge up to a higher bpm while playing smoothly. The smoothness is just as-or more important than speed at all bpms.
Hope this helps, Hope you like to read. smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (No Payne No Gain @ Aug 21 2007, 06:18 AM) *
Ha, ya that sucks.
I feel like I'm gaining some speed with a metronome right now.
-------------------------------------5-6-7-8-9-8-7-6---------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------5-6-7-8 -------------------9-8-7-6------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------5-6-7-8---------------------------------------9-8-7-6-----------------------------------------7-8-9-10
----------5-6-7-8----------------------------------------------------------9-8-7-6---------------------7-8-9-10----------
-5-6-7-8-----------------------------------------------------------------------------9-8-7-6-7-8-9-10--------------------

It utilizes all of you fingers and has been helping me with muscle memorization. It's just straight down the strings with 1234 fingers, then move one fret over back up then one fret over and you can move up the neck to the higher frets like the 15. Hope this isn't confusing cause it's really simple and convenient positioning and it's helped me to gain speed. I started with like 60-70 bpm. I counted like this ONE-two-three-four ONE-two-three four ONE-two-three-four. It's taken me about 7 days to play pretty cleanly at 100 bpm up to like the 12th fret before I loose steam. This thing is fun to work with when your like watchin TV or something because it's just to help with your finger positioning, muscle memory, and timing.
A few tips that I know of- Keep your fingers as close to the fret board as possible. Play every notes evenly. And try not to think of the notes in fours, you can count but try and have all the note flow together as one.
Main thing though is to start of slow and evenly at a comfortable bpm and you will see improvement even the next day, but it's subtle. Which is how it works. You can gauge your improvement by a nudge up to a higher bpm while playing smoothly. The smoothness is just as-or more important than speed at all bpms.


thanks, I'll try it out.

QUOTE (No Payne No Gain @ Aug 21 2007, 06:18 AM) *
Hope this helps, Hope you like to read. smile.gif


Lol

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post Aug 21 2007, 12:32 PM
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just like this 1 scales are the same basic exersize, the 1 i use for this is just
---------------------------------------------------1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1------------
-----------------------------------------1-2-3-4---------------------4-3-2-1-
-------------------------------1-2-3-4-----------------------------------------
---------------------1-2-3-4----------------------------------------------------
-----------1-2-3-4---------------------------------------------------------------
-1-2-3-4------------------------------------------------------------------------

take it all the way back down then start on 2..And i keep doing this all the way until 12 you can also use steps so it would be 1 3 5 7 instead .. just preference.

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post Aug 21 2007, 01:03 PM
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https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=2131
or just go here there's a lot of good stuff for improving speed w/ metronome.
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post Aug 21 2007, 01:06 PM
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heh, I used this exercise to practice hammer-ons and pull-offs, as well as my picking it's very simple, yet effective.
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post Aug 21 2007, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Aug 21 2007, 12:36 PM) *
Hey I have a rp100

Do you feel that if you had the help that is on GMC, back then, that it would have still taken five years?


RP100 is very good for home practicing and it also has built-in drum beat with some cool beats for practicing speed. Now, to your question:


GMC doesn't make things faster - it makes things more interesting and gives you correct direction on each thing covered in it's lessons. To become fast you still need to spend certain amount of practicing hours - no matter what source of exercises you use.

->>You see you are practicing OUR (instructor's) lessons on speed, sweeping, tapping. All the instructors practiced their own exercises for years - so now it's the same thing brought to you with explanation. We don't give you a sweeping-potion. We give you well prepared lessons and all the rest depends on you. Not your guitar, not your pedals, not the website design or forum order, not your cat or wife....on YOU ONLY! If you ARE practicing lessons to get them 100% - you'll become good. If you don't - well...you'll regret it alter! smile.gif <<- Take this paragraph as a friend's advice.

I was practicing - i got to where i am. IF you practice these exercises now - you will sure get here also. And yes - it would still take me 5 years of practicing. smile.gif


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post Aug 21 2007, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 21 2007, 10:24 AM) *
RP100 is very good for home practicing and it also has built-in drum beat with some cool beats for practicing speed. Now, to your question:
GMC doesn't make things faster - it makes things more interesting and gives you correct direction on each thing covered in it's lessons. To become fast you still need to spend certain amount of practicing hours - no matter what source of exercises you use.

->>You see you are practicing OUR (instructor's) lessons on speed, sweeping, tapping. All the instructors practiced their own exercises for years - so now it's the same thing brought to you with explanation. We don't give you a sweeping-potion. We give you well prepared lessons and all the rest depends on you. Not your guitar, not your pedals, not the website design or forum order, not your cat or wife....on YOU ONLY! If you ARE practicing lessons to get them 100% - you'll become good. If you don't - well...you'll regret it alter! smile.gif <<- Take this paragraph as a friend's advice.

I was practicing - i got to where i am. IF you practice these exercises now - you will sure get here also. And yes - it would still take me 5 years of practicing. smile.gif


It is taken from a friend, thanks

And dang, I just knew I would regret getting rid of that cat, I see why now, she was purring in 32nd notes.

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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Aug 21 2007, 07:32 AM) *
just like this 1 scales are the same basic exersize, the 1 i use for this is just
---------------------------------------------------1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1------------
-----------------------------------------1-2-3-4---------------------4-3-2-1-
-------------------------------1-2-3-4-----------------------------------------
---------------------1-2-3-4----------------------------------------------------
-----------1-2-3-4---------------------------------------------------------------
-1-2-3-4------------------------------------------------------------------------

take it all the way back down then start on 2..And i keep doing this all the way until 12 you can also use steps so it would be 1 3 5 7 instead .. just preference.



Actually have used that for a longtime to warm up my fingers smile.gif I go up and down and repeat that pattern all the way till 12th fret.Also use it to practice my alternte picking


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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Aug 21 2007, 11:10 PM) *
It is taken from a friend, thanks

And dang, I just knew I would regret getting rid of that cat, I see why now, she was purring in 32nd notes.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif poor cat! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Aug 22 2007, 12:00 AM
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One thing I personally have started to do when I'm practicing any of those exercises where I'm travelling up and down the fretboard is to not do every fret, or the marked frets or whatnot, but actually the naturals, so F, G, A, B, C, D, E then back down. If I'm focusing on the exercises, then I'll repeat the name of the root note as I hit it, and sometimes the notes in the middle.

This has helped train my ear for what the naturals sound like and has seemed to make it a bit easier for me to recognize when I'm playing something that's out of key or to work out the general structure of a backing track by ear.


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hey pavel, do you still practice for speed, or do you figure youve got that part down, now on to something else? and if you have gone on to something else, what is it? what do you practice? what are you trying to improve?
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I'm still practicing speed and overall technique! I am working on getting faster! Sweeping, tapping, legato, AP - a practice it all!


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