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Phil66
Jun 8 2020, 09:01 PM
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Hello folks,

I got my Behringer FCB1010 today. It's pretty easy to set up, for a basic setup as I want at the moment anyway. I do have a question though.
When assigning the left expression pedal to Wah, it says "CC27 (toggle)" but when I assign the right pedal it just says "CC7". What is the difference and why? Also, it's only working on the first fifth of pedal movement, ie, the pedal on the screen is all the way down when I've only moved the FCB pedal about a fifth of its travel.

There's no rush to get back to me, I'm not letting it take too much of my practise time, I'm just setting it up as and when I need something.

I'm following this video. I've asked David but he can't remember. He talks about the setting at around the 2:00 mark.
https://youtu.be/7K7JSzvg4T8


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This guy has a bit of an accent but he walks through programming both foot controller pedals.

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Thanks Todd,

I'll have a better look tomorrow. I've skimmed through it but I don't think he addresses the two questions I've asked.

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He diagrams it about 10 minutes in and then gets both pedals to work a bit later. BEN/CAEL still has one of these pedals so he may be able to help as well.


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 8 2020, 05:17 PM) *
Thanks Todd,

I'll have a better look tomorrow. I've skimmed through it but I don't think he addresses the two questions I've asked.

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My FCB1010 has a Uno-chip mod, which I belive is somewhat common, but I'm not sure if yours does? There's a program to assign and edit the midi CC or Program Changes called FCBUnoControlCenter, but it will probably only work if yours has the Uno-chip. With that said you can also do it manually on the FCB itself, but I believe it's a bit more tricky. I'm thinking yours might have been programmed to only work on some of the 0-127 midi range, which is a thing you can adjust. I've done so in the FCBUnoControlCenter, but as said, it's only Uno-Chip.

Sorry if I didn't quite answer your question.

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Thanks Ben,

I'll try this first.

How to Calibrate the Behringer FCB1010 Expression Pedals

Many users experience problems with the expression pedal range on new FCB1010's, in which one or both pedals do not transmit a full range of controller values from 0-127 (0x00-0x7F). the way to fix this is to follow the steps outlined below.

Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence.

Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off.

Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.]

Press DOWN once.

Adjust the left expression pedal (A ) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP.

Adjust the left expression pedal (A ) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP.

Adjust the right expression pedal (B ) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP.

Adjust the right expression pedal (B ) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP.

Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)

Then if that doesn't work I'll contact Behringer and Overloud.

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I think it might be faulty.

I did the reset and it controlled the pedal on-screen fully. Then all of a sudden it stopped working. I tried to reassign and it said no midi signal was being received in TH-U yet I could assign any of the foot switches to whatever I want. It is so simple to set up within TH-U if only the expression pedals were consistent.

Refund methinks. It always knocks my confidence when I receive something like this that is faulty, I never want a replacement.

Is there some way of doing it via USB? My M-Audio keyboard is USB but recognised as a MIDI device.

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I forgot all about the UNO CHIP!! I had one as well and had to install it before I used my board. I remember that it was crucual to making the board work properly.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 9 2020, 06:20 AM) *
My FCB1010 has a Uno-chip mod, which I belive is somewhat common, but I'm not sure if yours does? There's a program to assign and edit the midi CC or Program Changes called FCBUnoControlCenter, but it will probably only work if yours has the Uno-chip. With that said you can also do it manually on the FCB itself, but I believe it's a bit more tricky. I'm thinking yours might have been programmed to only work on some of the 0-127 midi range, which is a thing you can adjust. I've done so in the FCBUnoControlCenter, but as said, it's only Uno-Chip.

Sorry if I didn't quite answer your question.



Im sorry to hear this phil sad.gif If you get another one, make sure you get the UNO chip as well. It's the best way to make your board work the way you want it to work and it's not that much more expensive., It's built just so that you can use your pedal the way you want to .


The uno chip allows you to do thing likes turn off pedals inside of a bank. E.G. Turn off the tube screamer without leaving the bank you are on and such.It's got a lot of pre programming it in to help you get to where you want to be.




it lets you have effects mode as well as bank mode without all the extra programming



QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 9 2020, 03:30 PM) *
I think it might be faulty.

I did the reset and it controlled the pedal on-screen fully. Then all of a sudden it stopped working. I tried to reassign and it said no midi signal was being received in TH-U yet I could assign any of the foot switches to whatever I want. It is so simple to set up within TH-U if only the expression pedals were consistent.

Refund methinks. It always knocks my confidence when I receive something like this that is faulty, I never want a replacement.

Is there some way of doing it via USB? My M-Audio keyboard is USB but recognised as a MIDI device.

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Thanks buddy,

Thing is if there's an issue with the pedals I don't want to be changing anything and invalidate the warranty. If you watch the Wallimann video that works pretty good. You can have global and patch specific settings. So you can set it so whenever there is a wah one of the Exp pedals will control it. Or you can have a specific setting for a patch so if you have a patch that has a certain pedal that you hardly use you can have the expression (or any switch) controlling just that particular device.

It's an interesting video if only I could get it to work, it would be all I need.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 9 2020, 08:50 PM) *
I forgot all about the UNO CHIP!! I had one as well and had to install it before I used my board. I remember that it was crucual to making the board work properly.




Im sorry to hear this phil sad.gif If you get another one, make sure you get the UNO chip as well. It's the best way to make your board work the way you want it to work and it's not that much more expensive., It's built just so that you can use your pedal the way you want to .


The uno chip allows you to do thing likes turn off pedals inside of a bank. E.G. Turn off the tube screamer without leaving the bank you are on and such.It's got a lot of pre programming it in to help you get to where you want to be.




it lets you have effects mode as well as bank mode without all the extra programming


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Good news! If you put the new CHIP in and are careful with the little piece of tape if I remember, you can just put it back if you ever need to send it in for warranty smile.gif The UNO chip is the key to unlocking the potential of that board, but you don't have to use it, ou can just go about it the other way. It just makes everything a pinch more difficult. Once I put the CHIP In my unit, it auto recognized my eleven rack and just worked like a charm with zero effort on my end.

USB WITH PRESETS BUILT IN FOR OVERLOUD!!!
I'm using the Tone Shifter 3+ as my midi controller and it's also my audio interface. It works with Laptops/Iphones/ipads/etc whcih is handy but it does not have a pedal for wah and such, I'd gave ti add one. It's a very handy little device though. It is built to work with mac via the USB out. No drivers needed and it just recognizes it right away. I love that about it. Just play and play, it controls OVERLOUD just straight out of the box with ZERO configuration or messing about with CC assignments. It also automatically recognizes anything on ipad/iphone which is very handy. And there is zero lag. But yeah, no wah/volume.


There is a pre configured preset for nearly aeverything. Kemper, OVERLOUD, Guitar RIg, etc. Which is very handy and every board should have this imho.


Here is walliman talking about it.



Here is one of mine. Best of all there is zero perceptible lag. As a bonus I can control the 11 rack with it as it's got midi out and in. So if you add a wah pedal, it's a full pedal board that fits in a gig bad.




I've been using it here on my desk for recording my new new project ARKASA with my buds from Germany.

Sorry to go off topic! I just love this little thing.


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 9 2020, 04:00 PM) *
Thanks buddy,

Thing is if there's an issue with the pedals I don't want to be changing anything and invalidate the warranty. If you watch the Wallimann video that works pretty good. You can have global and patch specific settings. So you can set it so whenever there is a wah one of the Exp pedals will control it. Or you can have a specific setting for a patch so if you have a patch that has a certain pedal that you hardly use you can have the expression (or any switch) controlling just that particular device.

It's an interesting video if only I could get it to work, it would be all I need.

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P.S. PHIL you can use USB smile.gif Just get a MIDI TO USB converter. That's what I had to do when I had one of these pedals.
https://www.roland.com/us/products/um-one_mk2/

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Thanks Todd

Will the USB cable cure the issue though? Just Ryton because the device isn't true USB. I'm not really up speed on how these things work.

Also the Eprom will take 4 weeks to get to me from the States which will take me out of the refund window. I don't know what to do for the best.

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Hello folks,

Further to my post above I did some digging around on Facebook and found a dedicated FCB1010 user group. It concluded in a result but I didn't follow their advice, I tried to but it didn't work but it also led me to discover things. The transcription is below, you can read it all or just my last but one comment it's up to you obviously, but you may learn something from it if you read it all, probably more than I did, I'm just glad that for the moment I've got it working in its most basic form which is all I need for now. It would be great to hear what you all think.

I wanted something like this in one of the creativity workshops run by Gab, I didn't know how to use envelopes and still don't really, I want to increase the amount of distortion as the track went on. It was a piece about growing old and the distortion was to represent the ageing process. I never managed it so did a completely different thing. I could do it now though because I can assign the expression pedal to any knob on any device in TH-U biggrin.gif Just need the creativity workshops to come back now laugh.gif

Me: Now the expression pedals have stopped working and I can't reassign it says MIDI signal not received.

FB: The expression pedals must be set on every preset you want them active on or they won't work. In this screenshot from an FCB editor on the right in yellow are both expression pedals with left on CC 16 and right on CC 17 0-127. This is my main bank with an Axe-Fx and it controls 8 Scenes, Tuner and Tap Tempo


Me: Have you watched that David Wallimann video? TH-U has its own midi system with global and patch specific settings. Please watch it.. Either way, in one patch the expression pedals sometimes work and sometimes don't but the switches always work. Thanks.

FB: Do not need to watch it to know, the FCB MUST HAVE THE PEDALS PROGRAMMED FOR THEM TO BE ACTIVE. So you are on Bank 1 on the FCB (the TH-U does not matter) look at the above image the pedals only will output a midi signal if they are programmed (yellow areas) on each switch, so when you press switch 1 if the pedals are not part of the switch its not going to do anything when you move the pedals. Below is a Bank for the Looper but note the yellow columns are empty that means the pedals will not do anything when any button is pressed.


FB: So with the above said AFTER you have the pedals programmed on each of the switches then you can use the auto learn in the TH-U and it will work but the moment you change the FCB pressing a switch the pedals are not active on they will not work. In the Axe-Fx I can have 12 pedals so I have a bank that has 6 switches set up so first switch is external 1 and external 2, then switch 2 the pedals are external 3 an external 4 and so forth. The point is the pedals must be made active for every button on the FCB.

FB: If you watch your video right before he does volume swells he pushes switch 5 but what he is not telling you is he programmed the pedals already. The video should show you how to program the FCB first because the TH-U can not auto learn if the FCB is not set to anything.

FB: Phil Hadley you need to look at the pdf I posted above and if you do the factory reset as described below using 1 + 6 then the FCB will be programmed matching the pdf I just posted so pedal 1 is ALL set for CC 27 and pedal 2 all are set to CC 07 and both values are 0-127. I will add the second part for reset on the pedals below this post after doing this you should be able to do the auto learn on the TH-U


FB: I'm assuming you have the manual for the FCB and the instructions for calibrating the pedals is on page 12 and 13. Again factory reset 1 and 6 will set everything to match the pdf in the post I tagged you which has the 10 banks of 10 switches set to PC 001 through PC 100 so each switch is a different PC message and the pedals are active for each switch all 10 banks.

Me: Ahhh thanks, so I was misled somewhat. I'll see if I can find that software you're using to program the 1010. Sorry to be a pain but I've never used midi before. I'm finding it confusing.

Me: I couldn't find the software showing on your pdf (Soft FCB1010) so I downloaded this https://www.fcb1010.uno/ and it said there wasn't anything connected. I then looked at this http://host.mtnsys.com:81/faq-fcb/IdiotsGuide.htm and saw that it mentioned having both midi in and out plugged in. In that video, he doesn't do that. Anyway, long story short, I plugged in a second cable and miraculously it is working fine with TH-U and I haven't done any programming. Okay, I'm not saying that it is fully set up but at least I've proved it's not faulty and can dig deeper later on. For now I only need it to control the odd thing with the footswitches and to be able to use the expression pedals so it's all good at the moment. Any further advice for the future will be greatly received. Thank you for your time. If you can explain how adding the other midi cable has made it work that would be great. Cheers, stay safe all.

FB: You need to have a midi/usb cable connected to the FCB for using with the editors. Stock chip the free mtn sys works fine there are others but you must set up the ports for any of the editors to see the FCB and using an editor makes programming very simple but for what your doing if you do the reset then you know what values are from pdf your all good here is a link to a good tutorial using the editor give it a watch and you will get the idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMJQ-AHRSMs...5C8lz2W-ZM7ad58

FB: I have had my learning curve with midi but its easy once you get whats happening and think of the FCB as 10 banks of 10 switches and 2 pedals and with each press of a switch they send whatever message you tell it to do when you press the switch and if you programmed the switch it will work and of course getting a bad midi cord does not help either. Most people pick up the FCB cheap and people sell them because they could not figure out how to program it but its only plug and play with some Behrenger units but once you realize you need to set each switch to do what you want then it starts getting easy. Using the editor helps to see if something is not set correctly.

Me: Thanks for all of your help, by hook or by crook I got there. I tested it on lots of things both global and patch specific and it's working fine for me at the moment. I may never need to go beyond this but if I do, I know where to come. Once again, a huge thank you. Stay safe.

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Super congrats phil!!! Great to hear that it's finally behaving!!! Enjoy smile.gif

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Thanks Todd,

did you glean anything from that bloke's posts? I guess you're pretty knowledgable about MIDI though, I don't understand it a bit, just pressing & guessing and turning & learning that's me wink.gif

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Didn't get much out of his post to be honest. Did you see the post I made about the handy little software app that lets you configure the FCB with just a few clicks?



QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 11 2020, 02:59 PM) *
Thanks Todd,

did you glean anything from that bloke's posts? I guess you're pretty knowledgable about MIDI though, I don't understand it a bit, just pressing & guessing and turning & learning that's me wink.gif

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Yes, thanks, I'll try it out and let you know, it is working fine on the stand alone though, just not in Reaper........ YET wink.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 12 2020, 01:29 AM) *
Didn't get much out of his post to be honest. Did you see the post I made about the handy little software app that lets you configure the FCB with just a few clicks?

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Further to the above post, Overloud got back to me, I don't think they fully understood what I want so I've got back to again. They sent me this https://www.overloud.com/node/166 which I don't think is what I need, anyway, the FCB isn't showing in the list of midi inputs, it is working seamlessly in the standalone TH-U though so I'm sure I'll sort it.

I watched the video to go with that software you suggested, it just didn't make any sense to me DOH! rolleyes.gif

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That info in the link looks like what you need but it is complicated. I'm hoping that little software app I pointed you to will just sort all this out so you can get back to playing and not messing with midi config!


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 12 2020, 02:17 PM) *
Further to the above post, Overloud got back to me, I don't think they fully understood what I want so I've got back to again. They sent me this https://www.overloud.com/node/166 which I don't think is what I need, anyway, the FCB isn't showing in the list of midi inputs, it is working seamlessly in the standalone TH-U though so I'm sure I'll sort it.

I watched the video to go with that software you suggested, it just didn't make any sense to me DOH! rolleyes.gif

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