Playing A Real Amp Again!, Just dusted off my Mark V combo |
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Sep 7 2020, 01:35 PM
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Years ago I have a Peavey Bandit Transtube, I bought a Korg G1 at the same time, I only ever "played" through the G1 into the front of the amp. After about a year I went straight into the amp, I couldn't believe the difference, now that was a solid state amp but as Ben said, it felt more alive, the other thing I felt was a more immediate connection, like it responding immediately.
Now I'm going to get my Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue on when I get home, love that amp 
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Sep 7 2020, 02:20 PM
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Nice!! Can't wait to listen to that new lesson!
Profilers and modelers, are really practical and unlimited tools, but talking about dynamics and feel, nothing can beat a high end amplifier. Are you using a cab emulation to record? -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 7 2020, 06:10 PM
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You know I would weigh in on this topic
 Digital modeling, profiling, simulation has gotten really good over the past 10 years or so. I love playing the recent amp sims (Brainworks and Softube via UA) and I think I get a good 'recorded' sound using them. But for practicing I use a real amp and usually either straight in or just with OD and delay. Tubes amps physically change and vary as you play them. The components react slightly differently as they get warm. Since the 50s, amp designers and builders have been trying to get them to be more consistent but it's impossible. Tubes and transformers generate heat when they are working. That heat is the component literally wearing out, decaying. Just the air and sound vibrations moving around inside the chassis, the cabinet and the speaker will cause subtle (and not so subtle) sound variations while you're playing. Same for the recovery time of said components. Tube rattle, cone cry, the cabinet vibrating - all these things contribute to the 'sound' of an amp. Even the grill cloth makes a difference. Then you potentially throw a microphone (or two) into the mix and oh, how about a mic preamp ... To a good recording engineer, an amp with a speaker in a wooden box sounds different everyday. Humidity, temperature and air pressure all affect the sound. It may be subtle but it is there. It's a given. Those conditions certainly affect your guitar, right? You can feel it. The same materials are in an amp, plus even more. All of that combined with your very personal (analog) set of hands ... voila! An algorithm is not affected by any of those things. *An interesting experiment would be to profile an amp when you first turn it on - and then after playing it for 2 hours ... and then after maybe two years of playing. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 7 2020, 08:46 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 7 2020, 11:47 PM
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my only experience with amps vs modeling is amplitube4 and and my small blackstar tube amp. when im practicing over a backing track using my studio monitors and computer i prefer micing my amp and using my headphones, over using amplitube4 any day! for me amplitube was kind a waste of money.
but have any of you guys tried out neural dsp plugins? , neural dsp also has something that looks like the next generation of kemper type amp modeling coming out called quad cortex im very tempted to download the neural dsp archetype nolly plugin |
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Sep 8 2020, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 8 2020, 01:30 AM)  I get it that an amp sounds different from day to day and all that. But it's the difference from note-to-note that kinda surprises me - if that makes sense. That part should be possible to get perfectly right through algorithm. Seems incredible I know, but all those things that are variable with a tube/analog amp happen note to note. Every note you play has to pass though several analog components that are constantly reacting and recovering and they don't react and recover nearly as fast and as consistently as digital components. It's chaotic. The quest for modeling technology is not to get it perfectly "right" - because there is no "right". It's to figure out how to inject that perfectly tiny amount of true chaos into the modeled components: input and output transformers, preamp tubes, power amp tubes, capacitors, resistors, some type of rectifier circuit, an output transformer, a speaker and finally a cabinet resonating. That's a lot of stuff to not only 'model' but then impart with some type of non-linear fluctuation that is influenced by the behavior of the component just prior to it and also the component(s) just after it that in a real amp will then re-influence the prior components. Remember, we're talking about metal alloy(s), glass, paper and wood that physically move and change as electricity moves through them and around them. I'm sure you've at some point noticed that if you're wailing through a low wattage tube amp cranked way up, that you can actually play faster than the amp can really react - tube and transformer "sag". That's hard to emulate convincingly. *UA has a Tweed Fender Deluxe sim that's pretty good but it uses 69% of a sharc chip to do it. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 8 2020, 09:28 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 9 2020, 10:17 AM
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I know what you mean
 V100R was moded and have a 1W mode...which still makes me able to set volume on 1..no further  ))
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Sep 15 2020, 09:26 AM
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Here is a first recording with the amp:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=780334 I will add a second software mic though - to get some more bottom end. The highend here is nice though 👌 |
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Sep 15 2020, 07:34 PM
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Awesome! Killer tone!! I like how warm and deep it sounds. It's also impressing how much sustain you can get from your amp.
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Sep 15 2020, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 15 2020, 08:34 PM) It's also impressing how much sustain you can get from your amp. My LP has some responsibility for that as well 😁👌 |
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Sep 16 2020, 01:58 AM
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It's a great idea to combine a real amp, and what it does best, with a software mic/etc. and get some of what software does best, and mix them both together. Sounds good as it is, I imagine it will only improve with the "software extension"
QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 15 2020, 04:26 AM) Here is a first recording with the amp: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=780334 I will add a second software mic though - to get some more bottom end. The highend here is nice though 👌 |
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