Low Tuning Discussions
PosterBoy
Oct 7 2020, 09:29 AM
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So I'm trying to get my shit together and learn to play and understand the heavier music I like to listened to but have never tried writing or playing

Genre like Punk, Screamo Melodic Hardcoare Metalcore, Melodic Hardcore

Rise Against, Story of the year, Thrice, Underoath, Anberlin, A Day To Remember

The drop tunings involved can be from a simple Eb tuning down to a Drop A etc

I'm likely to give my Les Paul the role for this, but apart from everything involved with the guitar and string gauges can we talk about bass guitar and how that fits in with guitars stepping into their sonic space.

I don't have a clue!

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Steve Gilfield
Oct 7 2020, 10:25 AM
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I have never tried mixing a song where the guitars are in drop tunings, but I assume that by dropping the guitar's tuning its sound enters the frequencies of a bass.

So if you want to distinctly listen to both bass and guitar, then you will have to drop the bass's tuning too.

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Gabriel Leopardi
Oct 7 2020, 03:58 PM
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This is an interesting topic! There are two elements involved here: Arrangement and Sound. The first one is related to what the musicians play, and the second one is related to gear, tone settings and mix.

Regarding the arrangement... one of the main differences is that the bass plays the riff in a lower octave. Even having Drop B guitars, the bassists use 5 strings or they also tune it in drop B, but the note that they get is a lower octave than the guitar. Bass riffs are usually simplier than guitar riffs because the lower register gets less clear and the less notes you play, the better it sounds.

Now talking about sound, most specifically audio mix, the key is to add EQ cuts on both instruments so the frecuencies don't compete. Adding a low cut filter on guitar somewhere between 100 hz and 140 hz, can make space for bass. On the other hand, you can add cut some frecuencies around between 250 and 400 on bass to make space to guitar. These are just reference numbers that depends on many aspects like the arrangement, the instrument used, the sound, and so...

One thing that will really help you is to check isolated tracks from some of those bands. This will help you to hear the arrangement and sound mix used. Here you can some A Day To Remember stems:

https://remixpacks.ru/?s=a+day+to+remember

If you've never checked stems, you'll love this. Try opening them on a multitrack daw and analyze it!

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Oct 8 2020, 09:59 AM
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What a useful site that is. I've used stems occasionally for church stuff but not found this amount of rock ones.

This will really help to analyse arrangements etc

Thanks

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Gabriel Leopardi
Oct 8 2020, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 8 2020, 05:59 AM) *
What a useful site that is. I've used stems occasionally for church stuff but not found this amount of rock ones.

This will really help to analyse arrangements etc

Thanks



Definitely!! Share your conclusions!! smile.gif

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Todd Simpson
Oct 9 2020, 05:26 AM
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It sounds like you may be ready to get in to ERG instruments. Then again maybe not. Some player HATE erg instruments. (7 and 8 strings and beyond) some just want to take their 6 string and down tune it. That's perfectly fine as well. It's important to realize that when you change the tuning down on an instrument, it effectively changes the instrument imho. You may notice that some notes are fretting out simply due to a lack of string tension, etc. Especially on floating trem instruments. Many folks will dedicate a given instrument to a given tuning and then set the guitar up for that particular tuning.

on the other hand, this is where ERG instruments come in handy. For example, I've found that down tuning my 6 string Ibby with a floating trem, WRECKS the playability of the instrument. So, I went for a 7 string. Much better in terms of playability imho and goes down to a low B on the open string. The rest of the strings are the same as any six string. For me, it's a far better solution. It still feels like a standard guitar.

I've tried several eight strings guitars and I've hated them all to be honest and I sold them all. Again, every player is different. Some folks LOVE their 8 string guitars. I hated the way the low string sounded with any appreciable gain. Also, it creates serious challenges keeping all the strings muted with the right hand as needed for many of my open string series licks. So in the end, I just got rid of all of them. The 7 string is the best solution I've found so far, but your mileage may vary.



QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 7 2020, 04:29 AM) *
So I'm trying to get my shit together and learn to play and understand the heavier music I like to listened to but have never tried writing or playing

Genre like Punk, Screamo Melodic Hardcoare Metalcore, Melodic Hardcore

Rise Against, Story of the year, Thrice, Underoath, Anberlin, A Day To Remember

The drop tunings involved can be from a simple Eb tuning down to a Drop A etc

I'm likely to give my Les Paul the role for this, but apart from everything involved with the guitar and string gauges can we talk about bass guitar and how that fits in with guitars stepping into their sonic space.

I don't have a clue!

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PosterBoy
Oct 9 2020, 03:13 PM
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Hey Todd

Thanks for chiming in.

I had considered a 7 string at one stage but I think most of the bands I like, looking into it all are all 6 string players with maybe Drop C as the lowest tuning.

My Les Paul is a great riffing guitar so it will be the dedicated one for this stuff I think,

I bought the John Feldman Producers pack from STL Tones for my Ax8 as he produced quite a few punk and hardcore/screamo type bands I like.

It's surprising just how heavy Drop D sounds with the right tone.

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Todd Simpson
Oct 9 2020, 08:17 PM
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It's great that you can dedicate a guitar to drop C so you can have it set up for that tuning/string gauge/string tension etc. That way the guitar can be set to do that one thing and do it well smile.gif Les Pauls and any non float bridge make much better detune options than float systems imho. I've tried to down tune my float guitars and it's never gone well. Really had to abandon the idea on any floating trem I've owned and just use more strings (7/8) instead smile.gif

DROP D is very workable even on floating trem guitars and the D TUNA product makes is very easy to switch back and forth between standard and drop D. EVen without the D Tuna, I can usually just use the fine tuners on a floyd rose to go from standard to drop D. Drop D isn't that big a stretch and as such, doesn't radically change thing in terms of the guitars setup. Whereas dropping from E to C is a much bigger ask, especially for a floating trem.

I found an old Ibanez RG7620, 7 string that was only a few hundred bucks and have kept it ever since. All of the chords/scales still work, without down tuning, which is handy smile.gif Just adds a lower string. This is a good example of my 7 string ibby in action from out SIX DEMON BAG collab. The low B gives it a "Carcass"ish vibe, which is always a good thing smile.gif



QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 9 2020, 10:13 AM) *
Hey Todd

Thanks for chiming in.

I had considered a 7 string at one stage but I think most of the bands I like, looking into it all are all 6 string players with maybe Drop C as the lowest tuning.

My Les Paul is a great riffing guitar so it will be the dedicated one for this stuff I think,

I bought the John Feldman Producers pack from STL Tones for my Ax8 as he produced quite a few punk and hardcore/screamo type bands I like.

It's surprising just how heavy Drop D sounds with the right tone.

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MrVegas
Oct 10 2020, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 7 2020, 02:58 PM) *
If you've never checked stems, you'll love this. Try opening them on a multitrack daw and analyze it!

Wait. You can download stems of popular bands and mute and or solo specific tracks in your daw? mellow.gif huh.gif
i checked out your link, i just see you tube videos.
if downloading stems and muting guitar track is possible that would be awsome

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PosterBoy
Oct 10 2020, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (MrVegas @ Oct 10 2020, 10:09 AM) *
Wait. You can download stems of popular bands and mute and or solo specific tracks in your daw? mellow.gif huh.gif
i checked out your link, i just see you tube videos.
if downloading stems and muting guitar track is possible that would be awsome


There's a download link. It isn't every track individually but it often has kick, snare, cymbals and toms, Bass guitar, guitars, vocals, background vocals.

So enough isolation for us to really dig in and learn, and enough for remixers to create something

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MrVegas
Oct 12 2020, 03:41 AM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 10 2020, 10:04 AM) *
There's a download link. It isn't every track individually but it often has kick, snare, cymbals and toms, Bass guitar, guitars, vocals, background vocals.

So enough isolation for us to really dig in and learn, and enough for remixers to create something

dope ill look into it thank you

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