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David Wallimann
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UPDATED THE MIX WITH ATOMIX'S LEAD IN RYTHM THIS TIME>> SORRY!

I finally finished going through your leads! I am very pleased with the result! You guys did a great job.
This second collab on GMC is particulary interesting as it brought players from many different levels together.

I hope the comments will be insightful to you. Keep in mind that as I am commenting your leads, I am humbled by all the hard work you did. These comments are meant to be encouraging to you and give you ideas as to how to plan your next practice session.

Concerning the final mix, don't expect something beautiful. My purpose was only to give all the oportunity to hear what everyone did and read the comments as you hear it.
Thanks again for your participation and I'm sure I'll see you soon on GMC!

A Lydian: MickeyM

Nice melodic touch! I really like the ideas you exposed in this one. The choice of notes is good. Here is one suggestion that came to mind when I listened to your lead. On the longer notes that you play, I think if you add some vibrato those notes will ring a lot more and take a whole new meaning. I'
m talking about hand vibrato, not whammy bar vibrato... Work on those lomg notes and I think you will gain a lot from that. Listen to Steve Vai's vibrato style. He's doing more of a circular movement on each notes. Excellent job though!

B Lydian: Exorcyze

I love the first arpeggio type idea you started your lead with. It accentuates really well the Lydian key. I think your lead is well constructed and seems that you planed ahead what you were going to play. That's good! One think that I would recommend to improve your leads is to work on your bends. They could be a little more in tune. It's a boring and fastiduous thing to work on, but it will do wonders for your leads. Just play a note anywhere on the neck, them go a whole step lower (2 frets) and bend that note until you reach the original starting note. Then do that with a half-step. Play a note and bend the note that is a half-step lower until you reach the original note. Practice that constistantly all over the neck. I'm sure you'll improve in no time. Good job!

C# Lydian: Muris

Muris, you really need to work on your leads. First of all your technique needs major improvement. What I would recommend is going back to the basics. Start by hitting the first fret on the first string until you get a nice clean sound. Once you hear a nice sound, do the same thing with the second fret on the first string. Your fingers might hurt at first, but after a while you will gain strength and your fingers won't hurt anymore... Don't get discouraged!
Haha! I'm sorry, couldn't resist to the temptation of joking. The truth is that your lead blew me away. Muris, you totally nailed this one. I absolutely love it and only have good things to say about what you did. Awesome melody, great technique. You're an inspiration to me. :-)

D# Lydian: SDMF75

SDMF, I enjoyed your melodic sense here. Simple melody but nicely done. I like the rythm repetition feel you gave to your lead. Repetition is always good. My suggestion for you in this type of lead would be to add some fluidity to your technique. I think working on some legato would be beneficial to you. When I listen to your lead, especially the beggining, I hear it in legato. It will give a smoother sound to your leads when playing melodic like you are on this one. Great job on the melody and respecting the notes of the scale!

F Lydian: Atomix1337

Nice technical lead! I like the way you constructed this one. You focused more on the technical part but it's well done and your different ideas link to each other pretty well. My recomendation to yuou would be to start smoothing all your technique. It's a step that all guitar players need to do at some point and I think you reached that point. From what I can hear you have a good technique, now take all that and start working on the small details and nuances. These things are not major, they are small details. But going through the process of eliminating those tiny things will make you a great player. Steve Vai is a good example of someone who spent time on these little details. John Pettrucci is another one.
There are some guitarists who would be so much better if they took the time to do that process. Kirk Hammet for example is a good player, but still has some tiny details to work on... I hope I'm not offending anyone with these examples, just want to make you understand what I mean. :-) You did a great job though, keep it up!


G Lydian: Chast

Chast, I'm so glad you participated in this collab! You did an excellent job following the scale and using it to create interesting melodic ideas. I'm not worried about your technique at all as the technical part of the instrument is something anyone can develop with time. But your sense of melody is what stroke me. Keep practicing and developing your technique without losing your sense of melody and you'll do very good on the instrument I'm sure! I think you should work a little more on being more precise in your rythm. Just work with a metronome on small rythm patterns. Concentrate on precision and you'll do great!

A Lydian: Ezravdb

Ezravdb, you did a great job! Very nice mix of melodic ideas and technical interesting stuff. My favourite part is the sweeped arpeggio. Great way to give your lead a new direction. The opening lick is slightly behind the time. Just needs a bit more precision I think. Nothing major and you should be able to fix that in no time. Just like for Atomix, I think thatif you focus on the little details such as rythm, remove all unwanted sounds, you'll become even more of a great guitarist. Keep it up, you're doing really good!

B Lydian: Alimo

Good job on using the important notes of that scale. Some ideas are cool, but I think you should vary a little bit your ideas.. Your lead is somewhat linear and could gain from more developement. It doesn't have to be more technical. Maybe explore some arpeggio ideas. A good way to do that is to play the Lydian scale skipping a note each time. In other words you would play the 1st note, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and so forth of the scale. That will help you I think to hear the mode differently and will help you expand your ideas. Good job!


C# Lydian: Leadbreak

I love the melody you developped here. The opening of your lead is refreshing with that little repetitive motif. It brings the listener in right away... I also love the fact that you didn't use much technical stuff and kept the little shred stuff at the very end. You developed a nice melody and then later on gave it a little boost at the end. My advice to you would be to work a bit more on rythm placement. Nothing major, but fixing your precision will definitally make a big difference, from very good to excellent. :-) Great job!

D# Lydian: Nick325

You have some very interesting melodic ideas. I love the one you started to develop on the 5th bar. By listening to what you did I feel that you have a lot of things to say on the instruments, lots of ideas. My advice will be on a technical aspect, since you are already on the good track musically. I think that you should work on vibratos and details on how to "dress" a note. There are several ways to dress a note. There are many actually and there are many to be discovered I think. Bends, tril;ls, vibrato are the most comon. These are the techniques that I would focus on along with rythm placement.

F Lydian: Andrew

Very cool melodic rock lead! I really like what you developped there. Just as for Leadbreak, you focused on creating an interesting melody first and then went into the technical stuff. My advice will be technical. Your technique is already very good and solid, but needs little clean ups. The sweep part (is that sweep you did?) is a little "confusing" to the ear but can be easily fixed buy working slowly and retraining your fingures to play it without the unwanted sounds.Same for the last part of the alternate picking lick. But oince again, these are minor tweaks. The final impression I had when listening was "wow, this guy knows what he's doing!". :-)

G Lydian: Owen

Owen, I think you have a very cool rythm thing going on. It's not fast, neither flashy, but if considering the rythm alone, I think it works great here. A few things to fix, the first couple bars are out of the key... I'm not sure what key it is though.. But then you picked up the right notes and right away it started to sound better. :-) My advice would be to work on the same backing track (you can pick a different key if you want) and try to create small musical sentences with just a few notes based on the Lydian mode. Then try to find the notes that work well bended and bend one note of the scale making sure that it's in pitch with the next note of the scale. It's a good begining though! Keep it up!

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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Dude i was reading that about Muris and before i got to the bottom i though you were serious laugh.gif I was sitting saying to myself no way one of are teacher's did that bad.Loved the comment about 1st fret.I really havent smiled that much in awhile ,thanks smile.gif

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QUOTE (Wallimann @ Aug 17 2007, 03:06 PM) *
C# Lydian: Muris

Muris, you really need to work on your leads. First of all your technique needs major improvement. What I would recommend is going back to the basics. Start by hitting the first fret on the first string until you get a nice clean sound. Once you hear a nice sound, do the same thing with the second fret on the first string. Your fingers might hurt at first, but after a while you will gain strength and your fingers won't hurt anymore... Don't get discouraged!

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Hi Dave, thanks for the feedback smile.gif

I was trying to push my envelope and used a couple of tehniques I am still working on - I will work on them some more, thanks!

Oh, and Kudos to Muris for the absolutely coolest solo imaginable!

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QUOTE (benhowell @ Aug 17 2007, 04:04 PM) *
Great stuff guys,

Well done to David for setting this opportunity up, and providing the time and details for feedback!

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QUOTE (Wallimann @ Aug 17 2007, 03:06 PM) *
I finally finished going through your leads! I am very pleased with the result! You guys did a great job.
This second collab on GMC is particulary interesting as it brought players from many different levels together.

I hope the comments will be insightful to you. Keep in mind that as I am commenting your leads, I am humbled by all the hard work you did. These comments are meant to be encouraging to you and give you ideas as to how to plan your next practice session.

Concerning the final mix, don't expect something beautiful. My purpose was only to give all the oportunity to hear what everyone did and read the comments as you hear it.
Thanks again for your participation and I'm sure I'll see you soon on GMC!

A Lydian: MickeyM

Nice melodic touch! I really like the ideas you exposed in this one. The choice of notes is good. Here is one suggestion that came to mind when I listened to your lead. On the longer notes that you play, I think if you add some vibrato those notes will ring a lot more and take a whole new meaning. I'
m talking about hand vibrato, not whammy bar vibrato... Work on those lomg notes and I think you will gain a lot from that. Listen to Steve Vai's vibrato style. He's doing more of a circular movement on each notes. Excellent job though!

B Lydian: Exorcyze

I love the first arpeggio type idea you started your lead with. It accentuates really well the Lydian key. I think your lead is well constructed and seems that you planed ahead what you were going to play. That's good! One think that I would recommend to improve your leads is to work on your bends. They could be a little more in tune. It's a boring and fastiduous thing to work on, but it will do wonders for your leads. Just play a note anywhere on the neck, them go a whole step lower (2 frets) and bend that note until you reach the original starting note. Then do that with a half-step. Play a note and bend the note that is a half-step lower until you reach the original note. Practice that constistantly all over the neck. I'm sure you'll improve in no time. Good job!

C# Lydian: Muris

Muris, you really need to work on your leads. First of all your technique needs major improvement. What I would recommend is going back to the basics. Start by hitting the first fret on the first string until you get a nice clean sound. Once you hear a nice sound, do the same thing with the second fret on the first string. Your fingers might hurt at first, but after a while you will gain strength and your fingers won't hurt anymore... Don't get discouraged!
Haha! I'm sorry, couldn't resist to the temptation of joking. The truth is that your lead blew me away. Muris, you totally nailed this one. I absolutely love it and only have good things to say about what you did. Awesome melody, great technique. You're an inspiration to me. :-)

D# Lydian: SDMF75

SDMF, I enjoyed your melodic sense here. Simple melody but nicely done. I like the rythm repetition feel you gave to your lead. Repetition is always good. My suggestion for you in this type of lead would be to add some fluidity to your technique. I think working on some legato would be beneficial to you. When I listen to your lead, especially the beggining, I hear it in legato. It will give a smoother sound to your leads when playing melodic like you are on this one. Great job on the melody and respecting the notes of the scale!

F Lydian: Atomix1337

Nice technical lead! I like the way you constructed this one. You focused more on the technical part but it's well done and your different ideas link to each other pretty well. My recomendation to yuou would be to start smoothing all your technique. It's a step that all guitar players need to do at some point and I think you reached that point. From what I can hear you have a good technique, now take all that and start working on the small details and nuances. These things are not major, they are small details. But going through the process of eliminating those tiny things will make you a great player. Steve Vai is a good example of someone who spent time on these little details. John Pettrucci is another one.
There are some guitarists who would be so much better if they took the time to do that process. Kirk Hammet for example is a good player, but still has some tiny details to work on... I hope I'm not offending anyone with these examples, just want to make you understand what I mean. :-) You did a great job though, keep it up!
G Lydian: Chast

Chast, I'm so glad you participated in this collab! You did an excellent job following the scale and using it to create interesting melodic ideas. I'm not worried about your technique at all as the technical part of the instrument is something anyone can develop with time. But your sense of melody is what stroke me. Keep practicing and developing your technique without losing your sense of melody and you'll do very good on the instrument I'm sure! I think you should work a little more on being more precise in your rythm. Just work with a metronome on small rythm patterns. Concentrate on precision and you'll do great!

A Lydian: Ezravdb

Ezravdb, you did a great job! Very nice mix of melodic ideas and technical interesting stuff. My favourite part is the sweeped arpeggio. Great way to give your lead a new direction. The opening lick is slightly behind the time. Just needs a bit more precision I think. Nothing major and you should be able to fix that in no time. Just like for Atomix, I think thatif you focus on the little details such as rythm, remove all unwanted sounds, you'll become even more of a great guitarist. Keep it up, you're doing really good!

B Lydian: Alimo

Good job on using the important notes of that scale. Some ideas are cool, but I think you should vary a little bit your ideas.. Your lead is somewhat linear and could gain from more developement. It doesn't have to be more technical. Maybe explore some arpeggio ideas. A good way to do that is to play the Lydian scale skipping a note each time. In other words you would play the 1st note, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and so forth of the scale. That will help you I think to hear the mode differently and will help you expand your ideas. Good job!
C# Lydian: Leadbreak

I love the melody you developped here. The opening of your lead is refreshing with that little repetitive motif. It brings the listener in right away... I also love the fact that you didn't use much technical stuff and kept the little shred stuff at the very end. You developed a nice melody and then later on gave it a little boost at the end. My advice to you would be to work a bit more on rythm placement. Nothing major, but fixing your precision will definitally make a big difference, from very good to excellent. :-) Great job!

D# Lydian: Nick325

You have some very interesting melodic ideas. I love the one you started to develop on the 5th bar. By listening to what you did I feel that you have a lot of things to say on the instruments, lots of ideas. My advice will be on a technical aspect, since you are already on the good track musically. I think that you should work on vibratos and details on how to "dress" a note. There are several ways to dress a note. There are many actually and there are many to be discovered I think. Bends, tril;ls, vibrato are the most comon. These are the techniques that I would focus on along with rythm placement.

F Lydian: Andrew

Very cool melodic rock lead! I really like what you developped there. Just as for Leadbreak, you focused on creating an interesting melody first and then went into the technical stuff. My advice will be technical. Your technique is already very good and solid, but needs little clean ups. The sweep part (is that sweep you did?) is a little "confusing" to the ear but can be easily fixed buy working slowly and retraining your fingures to play it without the unwanted sounds.Same for the last part of the alternate picking lick. But oince again, these are minor tweaks. The final impression I had when listening was "wow, this guy knows what he's doing!". :-)

G Lydian: Owen

Owen, I think you have a very cool rythm thing going on. It's not fast, neither flashy, but if considering the rythm alone, I think it works great here. A few things to fix, the first couple bars are out of the key... I'm not sure what key it is though.. But then you picked up the right notes and right away it started to sound better. :-) My advice would be to work on the same backing track (you can pick a different key if you want) and try to create small musical sentences with just a few notes based on the Lydian mode. Then try to find the notes that work well bended and bend one note of the scale making sure that it's in pitch with the next note of the scale. It's a good begining though! Keep it up!






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Hey Walliman,

thanks for the advices.
I think you exactly told me what I have to work on and what I also think about my playing.
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 17 2007, 09:27 PM) *
Hey Ben, how about you run a Jazz or Funk collaboration next? That would be cool!


Funny you should mention that Andrew, i was thinking the same thing!

How do i go about it?

I was thinking about doing a Minor blues thing?

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QUOTE (benhowell @ Aug 17 2007, 05:26 PM) *
Funny you should mention that Andrew, i was thinking the same thing!

How do i go about it?

I was thinking about doing a Minor blues thing?

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Thanks for the comments Dave! I'll hit the Legato exercises right away. Muris melted my ears! Can't wait for the next collab!!!


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Hmm, the timing on mine came out drastically wrong, It was supposed to start right on the beginning note, maybe it was an error in producing my file, or my weak computer got the tempo on the mixdown incorrect...


...blah!

Thanks for the comment though man, very encouraging, but too bad the solo came out on the wrong beat ;D

All the other solos began on the correct start of theyre key selection, maybe i fudged up the file, ><!


Maybe it was my fault not including a copy with the backing track. :~D


I recorded how it's supposed to be, but i can't upload it right now!

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The intended solo smile.gif

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Thanks for the feedback and the collab - I had a lot of fun with this and feel like in the couple months I've been doing lead I've made a lot of progress, and things like this help endlessly with pushing my boundaries.

I actually only started working on my bends about a month ago, really trying to make sure I can get them on target for full, half, and quarter steps - I think I've made some progress but do still need some work. =)

Some other ideas for future collaborations, aside from musical styles : Odd time signatures ( 7/8, 3/4, 9/8 ), exotic scales, legato ( certain amount of the solo should be legato ), arpeggio ( same as legato )...


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post Aug 18 2007, 05:05 AM
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Great idea my friend!
I'll try to get another one going soon...


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Thanks for the feedback and the collab - I had a lot of fun with this and feel like in the couple months I've been doing lead I've made a lot of progress, and things like this help endlessly with pushing my boundaries.

I actually only started working on my bends about a month ago, really trying to make sure I can get them on target for full, half, and quarter steps - I think I've made some progress but do still need some work. =)

Some other ideas for future collaborations, aside from musical styles : Odd time signatures ( 7/8, 3/4, 9/8 ), exotic scales, legato ( certain amount of the solo should be legato ), arpeggio ( same as legato )...


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