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Phil66
Jan 10 2021, 09:29 PM
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Hello folks,

Okay, I entered an acoustic intro into the latest collab HERE. This was recorded using an SM57 into a 2nd Gen Scarlett 18i8 and is the "reference" sound below.

I've just got an Audio Technica 2020, one of the recordings (A or B) was done on my 2nd Gen Scarlett 18i8 and the other was done on my 3rd Gen Scarlett Solo that I use at my holiday home, I used the AIR circuit. Which one do you think is the 3rd Gen with AIR activated? And which sounds better to your ears? They were both recorded using a Sigma 000ME+ but I can record somemore on a Yamaha FG411c instead (Jumbo) if you want.

Mic was set near the 12th fret in both cases.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/reference

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/a-1

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/b-2

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 10 2021, 08:29 PM) *
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Congrats on the new mic. cool.gif

Probably B is the AIR circuit? I never used it but the sound character suggested to me something extra is going on. As for which is better is hard to say, maybe for single notes A and chords strums B might be overall preferable.

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Another vote for "B".
How was the level using the 2020?

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Jan 10 2021, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 10 2021, 08:59 PM) *
Another vote for "B".
How was the level using the 2020?


On the 2nd Gen (none AIR) the gain knob was at almost 3 o clock and I could red line it easily with the gain just past that. On the 3rd Gen the knob was at 2 o clock. Both knobs have the same start and finish points so the AIR seems to do something.

For the record, the halo (peak) lights on the 3rd Gen are worth trading for all by themselves cool.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 10 2021, 09:24 PM) *
On the 2nd Gen (none AIR) the gain mob was at almost 3 o clock and I could red line it easily with the gain just passed that. On the 3rd Gen the knob was at 2 o clock. Both knobs have the same sat and finish points so the AIR seems to do something.

For the record, the halo (peakl lights on the 3rd Gen are worth trading for all by themselves cool.gif


Very good, just a small tip; unlike DI electric guitar, with acoustic guitar mic.ed especially keep a safe distance to the peak indicator lights. Safer headroom will provide a tiny bit more 3D feel to the sound and don't worry noise won't be an issue.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jan 10 2021, 09:38 PM) *
Very good, just a small tip; unlike DI electric guitar, with acoustic guitar mic.ed especially keep a safe distance to the peak indicator lights. Safer headroom will provide a tiny bit more 3D feel to the sound and don't worry noise won't be an issue.


Thanks Mertay, I'm enjoying this discovery and am thinking of getting a 3rd Gen 18i8 just because it's a sweet piece of kit. I like the flexibility of four (eight) inputs just for the times I want to have a fiddle with different sources at the same time. Net really required but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it wink.gif

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Great stuff Phil! Congrats on your new mic!! It sounds really good! As Mertay said, B for chords and A for single notes is a good idea! But you could go for B to simplify and use an EQ if you need to cut some of the extra frequencies that AIR function adds.



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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 11 2021, 04:16 PM) *
Great stuff Phil! Congrats on your new mic!! It sounds really good! As Mertay said, B for chords and A for single notes is a good idea! But you could go for B to simplify and use an EQ if you need to cut some of the extra frequencies that AIR function adds.


Thanks Gab,

The AIR circuit can be switched off, its just a button on the front. I'll do a back to back test just on the Scarlett Solo, they say the mic pre-amps are better on the 3rd Gen regardless of whether you use AIR or not, I'll also have the mic further away wink.gif

Watch this space laugh.gif

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Okay, final two tests, in the last test you were all correct, B is the 3rd Gen with AIR switched on. Next two, both through 3rd Gen Scarlett Solo, one with AIR on and one off with the mic about a foot (30cm) from the guitar.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/x-1

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/y-1

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I guess X is aired, but what I noticed more was the distance difference was very recognizable compared to the first comparison which is always a good thing.

I'm also liking that air feature for AC guitar, it sounds a bit more overall balanced but for this comparison the mic. positioning felt like it could be better.

Once you memorize sonically what the air feature does, it seems best to first engage and then experiment mic. position to taste cause if say turned off it felt like will affect the tone so much you'll have to change mic. position again. For AC guitar I'll be recommending that interface to friends, very nice feature.

Question; Does it work when di guitar is connected too? likely better to turn off for such use but I'm curious smile.gif

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jan 12 2021, 07:42 AM) *
Question; Does it work when di guitar is connected too? likely better to turn off for such use but I'm curious smile.gif


I can't test that because the Solo doesn't have dual inputs like the 18i8, there is one XLR and one 1/4, it's great for what it is, a USB powered interface with great portability but I guess unless I upgrade my 2nd gen 18i8 we'll have to research. I think it only applies to the mic preamp though, even on the dual input versions.

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