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Todd Simpson
Jul 1 2021, 06:42 PM
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A new law just passed in the EU that all new cars will have to have a new "speed assist" system that will keep you going over the speed limit. Yup. They have decided that people in Europe drive their BMW/Porsche cars too fast and now the law will fix it. This system will start reminding you to slow down and then force you to slow down.

Im all for safety. Still, I thought this was a joke at first. It seems a bit much no? The state deciding what speed you can go? Hmm.

The UK still has not decided if they will comply. The UK has banned gasoline based cars by 2030 and now they might ban putting your foot down as well. So buying a fast car could be entirely pointless. Tesla is not happy of course.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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Let's hope they don't limit acceleration. Good acceleration in the right hands is the safest way to pass a slow-moving vehicle so you can get back on the right side of the road as quickly as possible.

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Jul 3 2021, 04:03 AM
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I keep seeing things like this. It's like they want to kill motoring having any fun.

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Let's hope they don't limit acceleration. Good acceleration in the right hands is the safest way to pass a slow-moving vehicle so you can get back on the right side of the road as quickly as possible.

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I know, I dread to think how sterile life is going to be in the future when the killjoys take control of other areas of life.

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Agreed. Next up we will have limiters for how fast we can shred!\

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I generally don't like cars, speeding cars or traffic in general. I have a huge respect (out of fear) for those things. I don't see the benefits nature-wise (gas) or in terms of general danger.

You guys have speed limits, right? Stick to those, plan ahead, get there in time. Be careful, drive safe and have the mindset that everyone else are idiots, so you better be careful. I wouldn't mind if speed limits were lower, punishments stricter and people had to do regular tests to see if they're still fit to drive. I know I will apparently have to, due to mental health, if I get a license at one point. Every other year, I think.

When people are speeding it scares me. I know you have to overtake cars at times, but people overtake cars that are doing what they're allowed to drive, then go 10 mph faster to overtake them.

Well, I'm one to talk though, I drive fast (but safe!) on my bicycle, always indicating what I'm doing, stopping for lights, at crossing roads etc.

But yeah, I don't like cars.

Maybe more cars should have those kind of automatic brake systems some trucks have now a days with sensors and such.

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Safety first of course. This is more about not being able to actually enjoy ones car. Not about breaking the law, or speeding, just being able to put your foot down and enjoy a sensation of speed which is a big part of why far folks like cars to start with smile.gif

One can still enjoy a car without speeding. Just stepping on the throttle between the lights, or even passing another car on the freeway can be quite fun and still be safe. The problem for "petrol heads" especially in england is that gas cars are BANNED as of 2030 and now all of europe will have cars with "digital mommy restrictors" that seem meant to rip any remaining enjoyment from the motoring experience sad.gif



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I generally don't like cars, speeding cars or traffic in general. I have a huge respect (out of fear) for those things. I don't see the benefits nature-wise (gas) or in terms of general danger.

You guys have speed limits, right? Stick to those, plan ahead, get there in time. Be careful, drive safe and have the mindset that everyone else are idiots, so you better be careful. I wouldn't mind if speed limits were lower, punishments stricter and people had to do regular tests to see if they're still fit to drive. I know I will apparently have to, due to mental health, if I get a license at one point. Every other year, I think.

When people are speeding it scares me. I know you have to overtake cars at times, but people overtake cars that are doing what they're allowed to drive, then go 10 mph faster to overtake them.

Well, I'm one to talk though, I drive fast (but safe!) on my bicycle, always indicating what I'm doing, stopping for lights, at crossing roads etc.

But yeah, I don't like cars.

Maybe more cars should have those kind of automatic brake systems some trucks have now a days with sensors and such.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 3 2021, 10:52 PM) *
Safety first of course. This is more about not being able to actually enjoy ones car. Not about breaking the law, or speeding, just being able to put your foot down and enjoy a sensation of speed which is a big part of why far folks like cars to start with smile.gif

One can still enjoy a car without speeding. Just stepping on the throttle between the lights, or even passing another car on the freeway can be quite fun and still be safe. The problem for "petrol heads" especially in england is that gas cars are BANNED as of 2030 and now all of europe will have cars with "digital mommy restrictors" that seem meant to rip any remaining enjoyment from the motoring experience sad.gif


Sure, I get that it's less fun, however, safety first, indeed. I speak from a perspective of being sort of afraid of cars and traffic, so bear that in mind. I think it's the one transportation form that causes most accidents/deaths, but I'm not sure on that - I just seem to remember an article about it.

I'm also all for moving towards a better plan than using gas and those kind of natural resouces, though I don't know what the best solution is.

Maybe if people want to have fun with cars, accelerating, feeling the rush of that and so on they can go to special places, courses etc. for that. I don't have the proper solution for it here, I'm merely brainstorming.

For me a car is not about having "fun" though, if that is the main argument for getting one. For me it would be getting from A to B in areas that don't offer other better (environmentally) options.

I don't know if this as a whole is a move towards lowering carbon emission, about safety or what it is. It's okay with me though smile.gif

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 3 2021, 11:52 AM) *
The problem for "petrol heads" especially in england is that gas cars are BANNED as of 2030 and now all of europe will have cars with "digital mommy restrictors" that seem meant to rip any remaining enjoyment from the motoring experience sad.gif

You mean the sale of new gas powered cars will be banned. Not a ban on all gas powered cars, don't you? Also you mean the EU and not all of Europe may have speed restriction devices which doesn't include the UK anymore. So that remains to be decided. And lastly, the speed restriction devices mandate, if that's what you want to call it is only for new vehicles.
I would be against all of that btw. Not that it matters since I don't live in Europe.

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Having broken my back twice and been clinically dead from vehicle accidents, I truly do believe in safety. The solution seems clear and it's electric cars. Whether we want it or not, that's clearly the future. it's already being legislated. These cars are very very fast. faster than gas cars. i just think it bodes poorly when the govt seeks to put such restrictions on people so as to not even let them determine their own vehicle acceleration. still, i understand it. electric cars are so fast that they could be a danger in the wrong hands. The torque and accelleration of these cars is just nuts. So i do get the need for such a thing.

I agree entirely that a car is a tool not a toy. Still, i drive a 4 door VW not a sports car. Very boring vehicle. I do enjoy passing a car on the free way now and then though. smile.gif I do hope we don't have to go to a race track just to accellerate a bit. But it seems that cars will be overly nany restricted to keep folks safe.






QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 3 2021, 05:58 PM) *
Sure, I get that it's less fun, however, safety first, indeed. I speak from a perspective of being sort of afraid of cars and traffic, so bear that in mind. I think it's the one transportation form that causes most accidents/deaths, but I'm not sure on that - I just seem to remember an article about it.

I'm also all for moving towards a better plan than using gas and those kind of natural resouces, though I don't know what the best solution is.

Maybe if people want to have fun with cars, accelerating, feeling the rush of that and so on they can go to special places, courses etc. for that. I don't have the proper solution for it here, I'm merely brainstorming.

For me a car is not about having "fun" though, if that is the main argument for getting one. For me it would be getting from A to B in areas that don't offer other better (environmentally) options.

I don't know if this as a whole is a move towards lowering carbon emission, about safety or what it is. It's okay with me though smile.gif

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In regards to carbon emission etc. maybe something along these lines could be the future:



Of course the technique would be needed to be developed further.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 4 2021, 04:46 AM) *
Having broken my back twice and been clinically dead from vehicle accidents, I truly do believe in safety. The solution seems clear and it's electric cars. Whether we want it or not, that's clearly the future. it's already being legislated. These cars are very very fast. faster than gas cars. i just think it bodes poorly when the govt seeks to put such restrictions on people so as to not even let them determine their own vehicle acceleration. still, i understand it. electric cars are so fast that they could be a danger in the wrong hands. The torque and accelleration of these cars is just nuts. So i do get the need for such a thing.

I agree entirely that a car is a tool not a toy. Still, i drive a 4 door VW not a sports car. Very boring vehicle. I do enjoy passing a car on the free way now and then though. smile.gif I do hope we don't have to go to a race track just to accellerate a bit. But it seems that cars will be overly nany restricted to keep folks safe.


Track days are a thing over here where you drive to the track and tear-arse around, there is a code of practise but no speed limits except in the pit lane. Looks like people are going to have to have dedicated track day cars as well as a daily drive because you won't be able to bypass the speed restrictor. And what if you want to take a trip to Germany to blast along the unlimited autobahn?

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that is awesome smile.gif Thanks for the share.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 1 2021, 07:54 PM) *
Let's hope they don't limit acceleration. Good acceleration in the right hands is the safest way to pass a slow-moving vehicle so you can get back on the right side of the road as quickly as possible.


Exactly...that's what I always think of at first. Will the "system" slow you down while passing another car even if different one is comming towards you on the other lane? There is too much unclearance to me at this point...

I have some kind of hope that car-business lobby will fight back to not allow this to become reality.

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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jul 5 2021, 07:33 PM) *
Exactly...that's what I always think of at first. Will the "system" slow you down while passing another car even if different one is comming towards you on the other lane? There is too much unclearance to me at this point...

I have some kind of hope that car-business lobby will fight back to not allow this to become reality.


I'm sure they will have a good solution for it eventually. I think it's good to move towards more safety as cars have high accident and fatality rate (https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-commun...portation-mode/ - just one link, don't want to spam) compared to other modes of transporation.

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 5 2021, 09:55 AM) *
I'm sure they will have a good solution for it eventually. I think it's good to move towards more safety as cars have high accident and fatality rate (https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-commun...portation-mode/ - just one link, don't want to spam) compared to other modes of transporation.

To put that in to perspective, far more people drive automobiles compared to other forms of transportation. As much as 86% of Americans drive automobiles to commute to and from work.
Approximately 28% of driving fatalities are the result of driving under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or both. Maybe that's a better place to focus on safety.

https://www.statista.com/chart/18208/means-...y-us-commuters/

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and how would this fit in

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 5 2021, 09:54 PM) *
To put that in to perspective, far more people drive automobiles compared to other forms of transportation. As much as 86% of Americans drive automobiles to commute to and from work.
Approximately 28% of driving fatalities are the result of driving under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or both. Maybe that's a better place to focus on safety.

https://www.statista.com/chart/18208/means-...y-us-commuters/


Oh, I agree. Driving under the influence is a big no no for me. But it's also easier to get in a car and drive while drunk than it is to get into a train and make that crash.

I'm pretty sure driving holds the most deaths even percentage wise out of x-amount of passengers. I gotta head to bed, but here's one source:

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-commun...portation-mode/

I think I'd include motorbikes into the "cars are dangerous" category. But I mean, there can be many reasons for accidents, such as a cyclist not indicating correctly etc. In general I'm just saying roads are dangerous and it'd be great if they could be more safe. I don't see the problem in trying to make safer.

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I was reading about this today and it seems that the EU is a bit worried that the performance in cars like the TESLA Plaid (rated around 1,000 Horsepower) and others are akin to putting people in a Ferrari or Lambo and just letting them loose on public roads. The accelleration in electric cars is way beyond what standard driving folks are used to and there are some people predicting a lot more vehicle accidents once we have a lot more high torq EV cars on the road.

So it's a sort of pre emptive safety measure meant to restrict EVs to performing more like your average sub compact that is more common on european roads.

Of course, this is cold comfort for enthusiasts, who will, as phil said, probably need to get a track car and attend a track day if they want to have a motoring experience beyond grocery/commute.



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Oh, I agree. Driving under the influence is a big no no for me. But it's also easier to get in a car and drive while drunk than it is to get into a train and make that crash.

I'm pretty sure driving holds the most deaths even percentage wise out of x-amount of passengers. I gotta head to bed, but here's one source:

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-commun...portation-mode/

I think I'd include motorbikes into the "cars are dangerous" category. But I mean, there can be many reasons for accidents, such as a cyclist not indicating correctly etc. In general I'm just saying roads are dangerous and it'd be great if they could be more safe. I don't see the problem in trying to make safer.
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 5 2021, 08:04 PM) *
Oh, I agree. Driving under the influence is a big no no for me. But it's also easier to get in a car and drive while drunk than it is to get into a train and make that crash.

I'm pretty sure driving holds the most deaths even percentage wise out of x-amount of passengers. I gotta head to bed, but here's one source:

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-commun...portation-mode/

I think I'd include motorbikes into the "cars are dangerous" category. But I mean, there can be many reasons for accidents, such as a cyclist not indicating correctly etc. In general I'm just saying roads are dangerous and it'd be great if they could be more safe. I don't see the problem in trying to make safer.

Less than half a percentage point and falling doesn't seem all that dangerous to me. There have been some great safety innovations over the years including seatbelts, crumple zones, anti lock brakes, traction assist and airbags but I just don't see a speed restrictive, or especially an acceleration restrictive device being one. I believe they would actually makes driving less safe. As some say, including myself, hesitation kills. Forced and unanticipated hesitation can't be better in my eyes. I also think that people who drive too slow are more of a hazzard than those who drive too fast.

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