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Hi Gabriel, thanks for starting this thread. I am mostly a self taught guitarist. I have some rhythm guitar skills as well as some lead guitar skills with both electric and acoustic. I have been playing ( not for an audience but for self entertainment ) for some years and consider myself an intermediate guitarist.

Ok so here is the thing that i want your help with. I want to be able to play simple rhythm tracks. I have plenty such audio tracks that I have gathered and i like to play but problem there is no guitar tablature / chord charts for them. When i hear them i find them very simple tracks. If i had the tablature i can play even more difficult tracks but I feel kind of embarrassed that even after years of guitar playing I am unable to figure out how to play simple rhythm guitar that i hear.

Can we start with this audio track ?
Audio File 1
Please help me in improving this particular skill to play what I hear.
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I think i hear a bass guitar and same chord repeating i think. Can i play the whole thing without the bass guitar ? Also i have no idea which chord is that ?

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Hi Sumit! This is an interesting idea!

The track that you shared includes a guitar that plays both bass lines and chords. The first thing that I recommend you doing is to try to learn the bass line and play along with it. This will give you the sense of rhythm, and it will also "tune" your ears to the track.

The chords played are totally related to the bass notes played, so once you have the bass line, you should have more clues on where to search.

Are you able to tab the bass line?

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Hi Gab,
I have tried to simulate the sound using single notes on my guitar.
Bass line by Me 1

My notes are
E13 | E14 | E15 | G15 | E15 | E15 | G15
E15 | E14 | E13 | G15 | E13 | E13 | G15
E5 | E8 | E4
E7 | E13 | E14 | E15
E5 | E8 | E5

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Hi Gab,

Sorry for not communicating the Tabs properly. I will figure better way to write the tablature next time.

In case you'd like to know what I was trying to communicate with the notes i wrote you can read this paragraph or else just skip it. E13 | E14 | E15 | G15 here E means the 6th String the Low E. 13, 14 are the passing notes and 15 is the root note . Then G15 is 3rd string 15th fret . This note represents sound of the chord. Also the next line means next part of the song.

Ok so - So some notes I hear from you.

1. I should try to focus on the main chords i.e. the root notes. Passing notes are replaceable.
2. Get familiar with Dominant Blues - dominant chord and dormant arpeggios and the notes it involves.
3. The key of this song is A.

I am next going to follow your suggestion and also in my next post I would try to play the Rhythm Track again with the right notes and right chords.

I think this video should help me Helping Video from Youtube

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Hi Gabriel, Can you take a listen to this one ?
How does this sound ?

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Hi mate!

Good job! The new audio sounds perfect. These are the right chords, and bass lines.

Here you can read about blues theory:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=50470

Section 2.1 explains dominant blues.

This lesson covers dominant chords: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Dominant-7-Chords/

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Hi Gab, I am working on figuring out the notes of this audio next.

Audio file 2

This one does not have a chord, just the bass line.

I think i figured out the beginning half of the bass line, just working on the 2nd half.

By the way what do you think of key / arpeggio / chords here ?

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Cool! We are in a similar style here. This is a blues turnaround in G. This means that we are moving from the V to the I chord. The V is D and the I is G.


The bass line again is around the dominant arpeggios and passing notes.

Once you learn the bass line, it would be useful to identify the dominant arpeggios so you can experiment with your own blues bass lines.

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Hi Gab,
How does this sound ?
Audio2Simulation1

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Hi mate!

You did a killer job! There is only 1 wrong note. Check out if you can find it. If not, I'll tell you.

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Is it this ? I have changed one A note in middle to F#.
Audio2Simulation2

If not please give the answer.

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No, the wrong note was the A note that you play on the 6th string just before playing G on the 6th as well. That note is a B.

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Oh Yeah, Just for final confirmation please check if all is well here.
Audio2Simulation3

Also Gab, I want to learn how to add chords correctly as a backing to this bassline . I have tried to add G D C chords but it doesn't sound all that good . please guide me on this as well
Adding Chords 1

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QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Dec 22 2021, 03:12 PM) *
Oh Yeah, Just for final confirmation please check if all is well here.
Audio2Simulation3



Yes! It's perfect now. Good job!


QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Dec 22 2021, 03:12 PM) *
Also Gab, I want to learn how to add chords correctly as a backing to this bassline . I have tried to add G D C chords but it doesn't sound all that good . please guide me on this as well
Adding Chords 1

thanks,
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It's not working with these chords. The first thing that you need to do is to identify the roots. As I said before, this bass lines are build using dominant arpeggios. Have you worked on them? Knowing the arpeggios will help you to identify them in these lines, and it will make it easier to add the chords.


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Hi Gab,
I have a confession to make, i get very nervous with music theory and concepts. I will try to learn theory very cautiously so please bear with me.

Please check if my understanding is correct.

My understanding is that first thing that comes is the key of the melody Am i right ?

For the bassline I am studying, you mentioned this

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 20 2021, 12:58 PM) *
This is a blues turnaround in G.


so for reference purpose here are the notes and their scale degrees in Gmajor scale


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Next we derive chords from the scale by using formulas.
This chart gives formula of various types of chords


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The chart shows four types of dominant chords and the formula that creates them.
An arpeggio is formed by the notes of the chords.

G7 Arpeggio Notes: G - B - D - F
Dominant 7th Arpeggio Intervals: 1 - 3 - 5 - b7

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Also since the scale type is blues
12 BAR BLUES IN G

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So this is my understanding.
Can you guide me now ? What should I understand next to achieve the goal of finding the right chords for the bassline that I am studying?

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Hi, Gab
thanks for video. things are much more clearer thanks to your great explanation.

Along with working on backing tracks simulation idea, I am going to work on learning about dominant chords and arpeggios starting with the
lessons you suggested below
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 19 2021, 12:58 PM) *
This lesson covers dominant chords: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Dominant-7-Chords/

And this one shows dominant arpeggio boxes: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...arpeggio-boxes/


Also since the 4 dominant arpeggio notes are part of 7 mixolydian notes I will also work on learning the mixolydian patterns



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While I do practice on these lessons continuing to the original backing track Idea, here is the third Audio Track in series.
Audio File 3

I have tried to simulate the sound using single notes only ( i wasn't comfortable adding the chords like the orignal track )

Here are my notes on the Audio File 3 Track by attempting to simulate the sound on my guitar

1. It is 12 bar blues in the keys of A ( I chord = A7, IV chord = D7, V chord = E7 )
2. The dominant arpeggios chart below helps get bassline of the track


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3. Here is my try on the simulation of the sound of the Audio file 3 track

Audio3Simulation1

4. Please let me know if these are the right notes and also guide me how to include chords to make it sound like original


thanks and happy new year,

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Hi mate, nice rhythm!

The theory that you explained is right, but your audio is not precise yet. Before trying to learn the chord you need to get a more precise version of the riff. Try it using the open strings. Start with the open A string and notice that the following two notes are a hammer on from fret 3 to fret 4 on the 5th string.

Play it and try to continue learning the following parts by ear.

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