The Metronome, couple questions. |
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The Metronome, couple questions. |
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Aug 26 2007, 03:39 AM |
Ok honestly Ive never been really serious with the metronome *Sigh*, I just get lost in the beats when different things are played at higher speeds and I dont quite now how to piece it together so what im playing is still musical but then again is still simple enough that I can play to the sync. of the beat. Does that make sense ?
Ok so im going to make this post pretty organized so hopefully I can get some help and start to develop some demon speed Suprisingly I do have fairly good speed without using the metronome ! Yet I never quite know how fast im playing. Heres my first and pretty much main problem. Staying in Sync Now dont be fouled but all my lack of information. I do know about the metronome, what it does and etc. I understand that most pieces are in 4/4 time signature and each measure has 4 beats. I understand the triplets are 3npb and 6tuplets are 6npb. And how to apply that to the piece of music im trying to play. This is a tab from Pavels " Ionian Scale Speedpicking lesson found in the2nd video |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| E||--20-19-17----------------------------------------------------------------| B||-----------20-18-17-20-18-17----------------------------------------------| G||-----------------------------19-17-16-19-17-16----------------------------| D||-----------------------------------------------19-17-15-19-17-15----------| A||-----------------------------------------------------------------19-17-15-| E||--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--19-17-16----------------------------------------------------------------| |-----------19-17-15-19-17-15----------19-17-15----------------------------| |-----------------------------19-17-15----------19-17-15-19-17-15----------| |-----------------------------------------------------------------19-17-15-| The piece itself is in 6-tuplets ( very fast) and I dont have much trouble with the sequence its just playing it to the beat thats the hard part. At around 40bpm I can stay pretty well with 6-tuplets but as I started to go higher, lets say 70bpm, the beat itself is so fast I cant count " 1-2-3-4-5-6" at that rate and eventually just am totally lost . Im using this Metronome and I dont believe theres any problem there I just want to be able to use the metronome effectly and continue my practicing without having to make topics like this. Its very easy for me to apply the metronome to sweeping picking, just not alternate picking. Thanks everyone any help is appreciated. Note: Ive watched Krisses Metronome video endless amounts of time and ive learned what I can from it but im still not getting the cash from the bank If you know what I mean. - John -------------------- Join Me On the Lyrics Board !
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Aug 26 2007, 04:16 AM |
Ok honestly Ive never been really serious with the metronome *Sigh*, I just get lost in the beats when different things are played at higher speeds and I dont quite now how to piece it together so what im playing is still musical but then again is still simple enough that I can play to the sync. of the beat. Does that make sense ? Ok so im going to make this post pretty organized so hopefully I can get some help and start to develop some demon speed Suprisingly I do have fairly good speed without using the metronome ! Yet I never quite know how fast im playing. Heres my first and pretty much main problem. Staying in Sync Now dont be fouled but all my lack of information. I do know about the metronome, what it does and etc. I understand that most pieces are in 4/4 time signature and each measure has 4 beats. I understand the triplets are 3npb and 6tuplets are 6npb. And how to apply that to the piece of music im trying to play. This is a tab from Pavels " Ionian Scale Speedpicking lesson found in the2nd video |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| E||--20-19-17----------------------------------------------------------------| B||-----------20-18-17-20-18-17----------------------------------------------| G||-----------------------------19-17-16-19-17-16----------------------------| D||-----------------------------------------------19-17-15-19-17-15----------| A||-----------------------------------------------------------------19-17-15-| E||--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--6--| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |--19-17-16----------------------------------------------------------------| |-----------19-17-15-19-17-15----------19-17-15----------------------------| |-----------------------------19-17-15----------19-17-15-19-17-15----------| |-----------------------------------------------------------------19-17-15-| The piece itself is in 6-tuplets ( very fast) and I dont have much trouble with the sequence its just playing it to the beat thats the hard part. At around 40bpm I can stay pretty well with 6-tuplets but as I started to go higher, lets say 70bpm, the beat itself is so fast I cant count " 1-2-3-4-5-6" at that rate and eventually just am totally lost . Im using this Metronome and I dont believe theres any problem there I just want to be able to use the metronome effectly and continue my practicing without having to make topics like this. Its very easy for me to apply the metronome to sweeping picking, just not alternate picking. Thanks everyone any help is appreciated. Note: Ive watched Krisses Metronome video endless amounts of time and ive learned what I can from it but im still not getting the cash from the bank If you know what I mean. - John Hey dude Wish i could help you but i dont even know what any tuplets are?? I did want to ask though is that correct on the tabs were it says you play two strings together Just sounds really weird and i didnt know if it was a typo. -------------------- My Gear
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Aug 26 2007, 04:40 AM |
The piece itself is in 6-tuplets ( very fast) and I dont have much trouble with the sequence its just playing it to the beat thats the hard part. At around 40bpm I can stay pretty well with 6-tuplets but as I started to go higher, lets say 70bpm, the beat itself is so fast I cant count " 1-2-3-4-5-6" at that rate and eventually just am totally lost . Im using this Metronome and I dont believe theres any problem there I just want to be able to use the metronome effectly and continue my practicing without having to make topics like this. Its very easy for me to apply the metronome to sweeping picking, just not alternate picking. Thanks everyone any help is appreciated. Note: Ive watched Krisses Metronome video endless amounts of time and ive learned what I can from it but im still not getting the cash from the bank If you know what I mean. - John You are looking at this in the wrong way. Metronomes are for your basic tempo. But the granular rhythms, such as a 6 tuplet rhythm, are not simple like that, you have to learn them by ear, they have accents and subtleties which cannot be reduced to anything that simple. you have to listen to someone playing them, and work for that rhythm. The metronome tells you where to play the 6 tuplet unit, but the rhythm and accenting of the 6 tuplet itself must be learn by ear. edit: well, I can sort of describe it, at least the rhythm and accenting that I use. it is sort of like be-de da ba-da-da say that fast repetitively. no, I take it back, it is more like... be-de-de ba-da-da but you get the idea, learn this by ear, listening to others play them. sometimes you have to listen fast, the teachers sometimes lose the rhythm and accenting when they show you how to do it slow. This post has been edited by fkalich: Aug 26 2007, 04:58 AM |
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Aug 26 2007, 05:24 AM |
Well said.
Yes,you must feel groove of those 6 notes inside of one beat. My advice,listen more to jazz or funk music. Many rhythms there are based on shuffle feel, which IS 6 notes per beat. More you listen,more you'll feel that beat inside. -------------------- Youtube
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Aug 26 2007, 05:41 AM |
Im finally starting to get the idea, I wish I had posts like this months ago Thanks guys Now are triplets more do-able ? Could I play those to a metronome or what ? - John Of course you can John Let metronome counts beats while you play 6 notes inside each beat. Or you could play 3 notes per beat which is 8th triplet, but if you slow metronome double time it'll be 2 triplets of 16th notes again. -------------------- Youtube
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Aug 26 2007, 05:57 AM |
Yep
It'll be faster if you speed it up more than double time. -------------------- Youtube
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Aug 26 2007, 06:14 AM |
Wise words John,hard work solves many problems indeed!
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Aug 26 2007, 06:26 AM |
btw, if you read this muris, great tapping lesson. really like that, because it is showing how to use tapping for music, where it just melds in, rather than standing out as sort of a circus trick. very good lesson, keep them coming. Many thanks,I'll do my best! -------------------- Youtube
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