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post Aug 26 2007, 11:47 AM
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Kris,

I'm playing 5 maj scales in 6 positions (eventually 15 maj scales. Don't mention the minor) and the 5 pentatonic scale positions at 240 bpm at quater notes. I've maxed out my metronomes. I'm gonna drop the metronome back to 175 bpm and play 8th notes. This should bring me to 350 bpm. Is this the right process?

I guess once I make 480 bpm I'll require a fire extinguisher. I'm working my way to three hours of paractice. I'm masaging Blues 1,2,&3, and working on Metal Blues. Dabbling with the Stevie Vai's lesson. To quote John Lennon "I've got blisters on my fingers."

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post Aug 26 2007, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (edgor67 @ Aug 25 2007, 10:47 PM) *
Kris,

I'm playing 5 maj scales in 6 positions (eventually 15 maj scales. Don't mention the minor) and the 5 pentatonic scale positions at 240 bpm at quater notes. I've maxed out my metronomes. I'm gonna drop the metronome back to 175 bpm and play 8th notes. This should bring me to 350 bpm. Is this the right process?

I guess once I make 480 bpm I'll require a fire extinguisher. I'm working my way to three hours of paractice. I'm masaging Blues 1,2,&3, and working on Metal Blues. Dabbling with the Stevie Vai's lesson. To quote John Lennon "I've got blisters on my fingers."

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Rather than doing quarter notes at 240, try eighth notes at 120. The reason is because most songs are around the 100 bpm range, as far as the drums go. Shred songs might go to 200bpm or even higher, but I can't think of any that go to 480 biggrin.gif Faster playing has less to do with higher bpm, and more to do with more notes per beat. Then again i'm no shredder but thats basically how it works I think.

So doing 1/8th notes at 120 bpm (=quarter notes at 240), instead of working on 8th notes at 175bpm, try triplets at 100 or whatever.

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post Aug 26 2007, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Aug 26 2007, 06:57 AM) *
Rather than doing quarter notes at 240, try eighth notes at 120. The reason is because most songs are around the 100 bpm range, as far as the drums go. Shred songs might go to 200bpm or even higher, but I can't think of any that go to 480 biggrin.gif Faster playing has less to do with higher bpm, and more to do with more notes per beat. Then again i'm no shredder but thats basically how it works I think.

So doing 1/8th notes at 120 bpm (=quarter notes at 240), instead of working on 8th notes at 175bpm, try triplets at 100 or whatever.


correct. there seems to be some confusion here on GMC about this kind of thing. JVM put it well. It is best to follow conventions which have been passed down for centuries on these things. Otherwise people will be confused about what you are saying. If you can play well at what is conventionally considered 200 bpm, you are quite a player I must tell you, you should be teaching here, or open up your own shred school.

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post Aug 26 2007, 02:08 PM
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Remember that 60bpm is one note per second at quarter notes. Its a good idea to stick around 60bpm early on so I think, so that you know when you play triplets at 60bpm for example, you're playing not one note per second but 3. Double your bpm and you know that if you play triplets at 120bpm, you're playing 6 notes per second. Etc.

If you're interested in measuring your speed thats one way to do it.

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post Aug 26 2007, 02:12 PM
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wow 200bpm thats a great goal, for atleast sweepign 6 tuplets biggrin.gif thats woudl be amazing biggrin.gif triplets not so bad though biggrin.gif

I think i said them right ahah!!

If you want to get into faster play try to play Triplets (i think thats the right term 3 notes per beat) at around 150 or so, and have fun wtiht aht or do it like pavel at 190 on his lesson THATS FUN biggrin.gif.


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Notice how it says like Adagio, Allegro, etc? That's because we've been using these speeds for centuries. Allegro traditionally means (and I quote) "Quick and Lively" or "Cheerful" (wikipedia). About 120 to 160 I think. So classical pieces were written with that in mind I think. There's a reason it doesn't go past 208. If you can play even triplets at 208, I will consider you a shredder tongue.gif I can only do about 130 myself. Also if you're wondering about speed, Notes per second isn't always the best way to do it. For example, if you tap your notes, usually that is much faster sounding (and it is).

Take a look at this thread. Notice how kris says he can tap 16th note triplets at 160bpm, which is quite fast. However when he picks every note, he "only" does 120bpm on 16th note triplets.

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Aug 26 2007, 01:40 PM) *
If you can play well at what is conventionally considered 200 bpm, you are quite a player I must tell you, you should be teaching here, or open up your own shred school.


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post Aug 26 2007, 07:41 PM
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All, thanks for the leadership and guidance. Remember I'm doing scales at this rate. The music has to evolve. I'm kind of like Forrest Gump when he catches a foot ball, he keeps running through the endzone. Overall it looks like 1/8 & 1/16 (doubles and triplets) I think I have this right) notes at the slower speeds are the way to go. I'm glad you-all are here.

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QUOTE (edgor67 @ Aug 26 2007, 06:41 AM) *
All, thanks for the leadership and guidance. Remember I'm doing scales at this rate. The music has to evolve. I'm kind of like Forrest Gump when he catches a foot ball, he keeps running through the endzone. Overall it looks like 1/8 & 1/16 (doubles and triplets) I think I have this right) notes at the slower speeds are the way to go. I'm glad you-all are here.

Run Forrest run! Shred eddie shred!

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Correct, but 1/16th notes are not triplets but well, sixteenth notes. Triplets are three times a beat, but sixteenth notes are not sixteen times a beat. That would be the case if a whole note was one note per beat, but since quarter notes are the one note per beat ones, 1/8th notes are twice a beat, triplets three times a beat, and 1/16th notes are four times a beat, and sixteenth note triplets are 6 times a beat. It can be a bit confusing but those should be all you need to know for a while.


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