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edgor67 View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 11:47 AM
Aug 26 2007, 11:47 AM	GMC:er Posts: 83 Joined: 2-February 07	Kris, I'm playing 5 maj scales in 6 positions (eventually 15 maj scales. Don't mention the minor) and the 5 pentatonic scale positions at 240 bpm at quater notes. I've maxed out my metronomes. I'm gonna drop the metronome back to 175 bpm and play 8th notes. This should bring me to 350 bpm. Is this the right process? I guess once I make 480 bpm I'll require a fire extinguisher. I'm working my way to three hours of paractice. I'm masaging Blues 1,2,&3, and working on Metal Blues. Dabbling with the Stevie Vai's lesson. To quote John Lennon "I've got blisters on my fingers." g You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

JVM View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 12:57 PM
Aug 26 2007, 12:57 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 2.878 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Raleigh-Durham, NC	QUOTE (edgor67 @ Aug 25 2007, 10:47 PM) Kris, I'm playing 5 maj scales in 6 positions (eventually 15 maj scales. Don't mention the minor) and the 5 pentatonic scale positions at 240 bpm at quater notes. I've maxed out my metronomes. I'm gonna drop the metronome back to 175 bpm and play 8th notes. This should bring me to 350 bpm. Is this the right process? I guess once I make 480 bpm I'll require a fire extinguisher. I'm working my way to three hours of paractice. I'm masaging Blues 1,2,&3, and working on Metal Blues. Dabbling with the Stevie Vai's lesson. To quote John Lennon "I've got blisters on my fingers." g Rather than doing quarter notes at 240, try eighth notes at 120. The reason is because most songs are around the 100 bpm range, as far as the drums go. Shred songs might go to 200bpm or even higher, but I can't think of any that go to 480 Faster playing has less to do with higher bpm, and more to do with more notes per beat. Then again i'm no shredder but thats basically how it works I think. So doing 1/8th notes at 120 bpm (=quarter notes at 240), instead of working on 8th notes at 175bpm, try triplets at 100 or whatever. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by JVM: Aug 26 2007, 12:58 PM -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.

fkalich View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 01:40 PM
Aug 26 2007, 01:40 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2.789 Joined: 12-February 07 From: People's Republic of Lawrence Kansas	QUOTE (JVM @ Aug 26 2007, 06:57 AM) Rather than doing quarter notes at 240, try eighth notes at 120. The reason is because most songs are around the 100 bpm range, as far as the drums go. Shred songs might go to 200bpm or even higher, but I can't think of any that go to 480 Faster playing has less to do with higher bpm, and more to do with more notes per beat. Then again i'm no shredder but thats basically how it works I think. So doing 1/8th notes at 120 bpm (=quarter notes at 240), instead of working on 8th notes at 175bpm, try triplets at 100 or whatever. correct. there seems to be some confusion here on GMC about this kind of thing. JVM put it well. It is best to follow conventions which have been passed down for centuries on these things. Otherwise people will be confused about what you are saying. If you can play well at what is conventionally considered 200 bpm, you are quite a player I must tell you, you should be teaching here, or open up your own shred school. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by fkalich: Aug 26 2007, 01:49 PM

JVM View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 02:08 PM
Aug 26 2007, 02:08 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 2.878 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Raleigh-Durham, NC	Remember that 60bpm is one note per second at quarter notes. Its a good idea to stick around 60bpm early on so I think, so that you know when you play triplets at 60bpm for example, you're playing not one note per second but 3. Double your bpm and you know that if you play triplets at 120bpm, you're playing 6 notes per second. Etc. If you're interested in measuring your speed thats one way to do it. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by JVM: Aug 26 2007, 02:10 PM -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.

Ryan View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 02:12 PM
Aug 26 2007, 02:12 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.286 Joined: 14-March 07 From: Hutchinson, Kansas, USA	wow 200bpm thats a great goal, for atleast sweepign 6 tuplets thats woudl be amazing triplets not so bad though I think i said them right ahah!! If you want to get into faster play try to play Triplets (i think thats the right term 3 notes per beat) at around 150 or so, and have fun wtiht aht or do it like pavel at 190 on his lesson THATS FUN . You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- “Obey the principles without being bound by them.”

JVM View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 02:57 PM
Aug 26 2007, 02:57 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 2.878 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Raleigh-Durham, NC	Check out this site. Notice how it says like Adagio, Allegro, etc? That's because we've been using these speeds for centuries. Allegro traditionally means (and I quote) "Quick and Lively" or "Cheerful" (wikipedia). About 120 to 160 I think. So classical pieces were written with that in mind I think. There's a reason it doesn't go past 208. If you can play even triplets at 208, I will consider you a shredder I can only do about 130 myself. Also if you're wondering about speed, Notes per second isn't always the best way to do it. For example, if you tap your notes, usually that is much faster sounding (and it is). Take a look at this thread. Notice how kris says he can tap 16th note triplets at 160bpm, which is quite fast. However when he picks every note, he "only" does 120bpm on 16th note triplets. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by JVM: Aug 26 2007, 03:02 PM -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.

mattacuk View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 05:26 PM
Aug 26 2007, 05:26 PM	Lets go fishing! Posts: 5.526 Joined: 21-December 06 From: illinois	QUOTE (fkalich @ Aug 26 2007, 01:40 PM) If you can play well at what is conventionally considered 200 bpm, you are quite a player I must tell you, you should be teaching here, or open up your own shred school. You may very well find out you are infact Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, Rusty Cooley or Yngwie Malmsteen You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *mysql> SELECT FROM master_name WHERE ((firstname = 'Paul') AND (lastname = 'Gilbert')); "The Fundimental Difference between Paul Gilbert and Buckethead is that Paul Explores the Good side of the force, while Buckethead Explores the Dark Side of the Force" :)**

edgor67 View Member Profile	Aug 26 2007, 07:41 PM
Aug 26 2007, 07:41 PM	GMC:er Posts: 83 Joined: 2-February 07	All, thanks for the leadership and guidance. Remember I'm doing scales at this rate. The music has to evolve. I'm kind of like Forrest Gump when he catches a foot ball, he keeps running through the endzone. Overall it looks like 1/8 & 1/16 (doubles and triplets) I think I have this right) notes at the slower speeds are the way to go. I'm glad you-all are here. Run Forrest run! Shred eddie shred! g You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

JVM View Member Profile	Aug 27 2007, 07:33 PM
Aug 27 2007, 07:33 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 2.878 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Raleigh-Durham, NC	QUOTE (edgor67 @ Aug 26 2007, 06:41 AM) All, thanks for the leadership and guidance. Remember I'm doing scales at this rate. The music has to evolve. I'm kind of like Forrest Gump when he catches a foot ball, he keeps running through the endzone. Overall it looks like 1/8 & 1/16 (doubles and triplets) I think I have this right) notes at the slower speeds are the way to go. I'm glad you-all are here. Run Forrest run! Shred eddie shred! g Correct, but 1/16th notes are not triplets but well, sixteenth notes. Triplets are three times a beat, but sixteenth notes are not sixteen times a beat. That would be the case if a whole note was one note per beat, but since quarter notes are the one note per beat ones, 1/8th notes are twice a beat, triplets three times a beat, and 1/16th notes are four times a beat, and sixteenth note triplets are 6 times a beat. It can be a bit confusing but those should be all you need to know for a while. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.

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