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post Aug 30 2007, 05:51 AM
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Here is a link to new Line 6 products which were built in co-operation with Bogner so these are Line 6/Bogner amps.

http://www.line6.com/spidervalve/

Can't wait to see the price and some samples of how it sounds! smile.gif


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post Aug 30 2007, 05:53 AM
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ohmy.gif Oh MY! ill have to start saving those pennys biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 30 2007, 06:51 AM) *
Here is a link to new Line 6 products which were built in co-operation with Bogner so these are Line 6/Bogner amps.

http://www.line6.com/spidervalve/

Can't wait to see the price and some samples of how it sounds! smile.gif

Aaaaaaalright, that could be interetsing.


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post Aug 30 2007, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 30 2007, 12:51 AM) *
Here is a link to new Line 6 products which were built in co-operation with Bogner so these are Line 6/Bogner amps.

http://www.line6.com/spidervalve/

Can't wait to see the price and some samples of how it sounds! smile.gif


No way! No I am all confused again sad.gif


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post Aug 30 2007, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 30 2007, 07:39 AM) *
No way! No I am all confused again sad.gif

Same here :-) It will be interesting to see how they pull it off with the tube characteristics expecially for non 6L6 tube amp models. There must be some thought around the tube choise, maybe it's easier to simulate EL34's with 6L6 that the other way around?


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post Aug 30 2007, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 30 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Same here :-) It will be interesting to see how they pull it off with the tube characteristics expecially for non 6L6 tube amp models. There must be some thought around the tube choise, maybe it's easier to simulate EL34's with 6L6 that the other way around?


I mean, if it was anyone else but Reihnold Bogner ....

On paper it looks like the modelling is relegated to tone shaping - its hooked up to an honest to goodness complete tube amp including preamp, cascading gain stages, Phase Inverter and PP output stage. It is by no means a cop out, its literally a pod with a real tube amp bolted onto it smile.gif

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Aha! Just as I thought - its a preamp with no tone stack which allows them to do the tone stuff in DSP prior to feeding it into the amp ...

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Just saw that too...
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Considering Bogner himself took part in creation of it - it must kick ass! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 30 2007, 03:56 AM) *
Considering Bogner himself took part in creation of it - it must kick ass! smile.gif


That's exactly what I was thinking. :-)


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post Aug 30 2007, 09:12 AM
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Not impressed. wacko.gif

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QUOTE (Hardtail @ Aug 30 2007, 04:12 AM) *
Not impressed. wacko.gif

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How can you tell - there are no sound clips there yet smile.gif I guess I am a little skeptical too though ...

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 30 2007, 04:47 AM) *
How can you tell - there are no sound clips there yet smile.gif I guess I am a little skeptical too though ...



Only because I have owned and used many Line6 Products and while they have there strong points, they never match up to the real deal.

Case in point...

I have compared my Flextone II XL (which remember is a fully updated Podxt Equivilant) to a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier, a Marshall JCM2000 TSL 100 (which I personally owned), Roland Jazz Cube, and my Blues Junior. I compared each of these real rigs to the simulated ones on the Flextone and although the Flextone sounds good it never matched up the real thing.

Another thing I find intersting is Line6's claim to fame was that they could reproduce all those amp sounds without big dumb hot tubes... I mean really... if Line 6 has finally realized tubes are needed to get true warmth then I'd say the modelling vs. tube debate has just been ended laugh.gif

If I'm going to buy a tube amp I'm going to buy from a company that has a long history of making great amps and not from the new kids on the block who used to think tube amps were dumb. cool.gif

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post Aug 30 2007, 11:18 AM
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This is basicly what I'm doin, running my pod xt live to my tubed amp. Thats a great idea imo
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I think.. you shud mess with your tone using real pedals and mixers and not building it in.. I don't mind Line 6 but i really don't think its a respectable amp to be useing.. im skeptical about goodness of it... ill have to wait and hear the soundclips buuutt i would rather get a krank and then add a couple of pedals and a multi effects bored smile.gif


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Ironically, as a very happy podxt owner, when I'm ready for the real thing, Line 6 won't be it. I'm with hardtail on this. When I'm ready for an all tube amp, its Mesa Boogie rectifier all the way. You just can't beat the decades of experience.

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 30 2007, 07:55 AM) *
its literally a pod with a real tube amp bolted onto it smile.gif

Is that all there is to it?


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QUOTE (ch00ch00man @ Aug 30 2007, 01:13 PM) *
Ironically, as a very happy podxt owner, when I'm ready for the real thing, Line 6 won't be it. I'm with hardtail on this. When I'm ready for an all tube amp, its Mesa Boogie rectifier all the way. You just can't beat the decades of experience.

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Mesa Boogie takes half of the price for the brand name. And again - if you are playing only at home you don't need that amp as MikeM stated in some other topics - tubes can blow your house apart.

Well, whatever...i'm just gonna wait to hear the sound samples and see the price. I don't have the money for amp anyway for now biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Hardtail @ Aug 30 2007, 05:55 AM) *
Another thing I find intersting is Line6's claim to fame was that they could reproduce all those amp sounds without big dumb hot tubes... I mean really... if Line 6 has finally realized tubes are needed to get true warmth then I'd say the modelling vs. tube debate has just been ended laugh.gif


Yeah, it looks a little like that doesn't it smile.gif

QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 30 2007, 02:14 PM) *
Is that all there is to it?


Its a little more than that - its actually:

Some DSP -> Tube Preamp -> Some more DSP -> Effects Loop -> Tube Power Amp

What all that complexity does to your signal path I'll leave as an exercise for the readers.

I do want to hear it though ...


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 30 2007, 09:38 PM) *
Yeah, it looks a little like that doesn't it smile.gif
Its a little more than that - its actually:

Some DSP -> Tube Preamp -> Some more DSP -> Effects Loop -> Tube Power Amp

What all that complexity does to your signal path I'll leave as an exercise for the readers.

I do want to hear it though ...


I Reckon that amp is gonna kick serious ass. Some poeple say the line6 amps has no texture because their solid state. Just imagine tube warmth and texture into those amps .... its gonna be awesome ...
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I think instead of "modeling" on this amp they should focus on their digital effects engine. I have yet to see a REAL good tube amp with built-in digital processor. Things like Echo, Delay, Chorus, etc. are actually very good from Line6 for being digital and my opinion is they should focus on that and get off the "modeling" track.

Modeling = Wannabe ; That's not an opinion it's just an abbreviation of the fact. The essence of modeling is to "sound like" something else. I'd rather just have the something else.

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